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Helicopters and Hunting

Unread post by Airwayfreak » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:58 pm

I have a group of hunter friends who are pee'd off by the attached photograph. As a non-hunter this pic looks like ops normal for the hunting industry. Unless the animals are being shot from helicopters of course

Anybody with first-hand knowledge know what the story is here?
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Re: Helicopters and Hunting

Unread post by Clinton01 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:47 am

Would hunting from a helicopter be considered any different from hunting from a bakkie?
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:24 am

Those have to be Rowland Ward horns!
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Re: Helicopters and Hunting

Unread post by C Africa » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:47 am

Jack Welles wrote:
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Those have to be Rowland Ward horns!
Doubt it very much. The curls aren't deep enough. Doubt if that was more than 50"

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Re: Helicopters and Hunting

Unread post by Jack Welles » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:02 am

Airwayfreak wrote:
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I have a group of hunter friends who are pee'd off by the attached photograph.
I can imagine greenies complaining. Did your hunter friends say why they objected?
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Re: Helicopters and Hunting

Unread post by ABW » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:08 am

Have never got my head around hunting for trophy’s. I nevertheless flew many clients around the South Sudan in the late seventies. Yambio for Bongo and Tambura out west for large elephant. In those days it involved days of proper tracking where the animal had a chance. Not so today with helicopter spotting. As for Sudan today I shouldn’t think there is an animal alive!
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Unread post by KZNChris » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:17 am

Jack Welles wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:02 am
Airwayfreak wrote:
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I have a group of hunter friends who are pee'd off by the attached photograph.
I can imagine greenies complaining. Did your hunter friends say why they objected?
Jealousy ..
They do not have the "right-kind-of-money" to ALSO have a helicopter in the background for their "trophy-shots"
Someone obviously read about how the SADF big-shots "hunted" in the "far-north" and decided to copy their MO

Quite sickening -- the whole thing ......
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:20 am

ABW wrote:
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Have never got my head around hunting for trophy’s.
Most SA hunters also use the meat.
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Re: Helicopters and Hunting

Unread post by Ray W » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:54 am

Trophy hunting is, as far as I'm concerned, a no no. If you're hunting because you're hungry that's fine because it's the natural way of things, but to hunt simply to say "I shot a ....." and have it's head hanging on your wall is barbaric as far as I'm concerned. I know there are some that say that the fees paid for trophy hunting help sustain the wild life - that's their opinion, not mine.

As to hunting from a helicopter - well I think that isn't right either.
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Re: Helicopters and Hunting

Unread post by Airwayfreak » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:56 am

Jack Welles wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:02 am
Airwayfreak wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:58 pm
I have a group of hunter friends who are pee'd off by the attached photograph.
I can imagine greenies complaining. Did your hunter friends say why they objected?
Objecting on the assumption that the hunting was conducted from the chopper
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Re: Helicopters and Hunting

Unread post by Falafel » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:50 am

Ray W wrote:
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Trophy hunting is, as far as I'm concerned, a no no. If you're hunting because you're hungry that's fine because it's the natural way of things, but to hunt simply to say "I shot a ....." and have it's head hanging on your wall is barbaric as far as I'm concerned. I know there are some that say that the fees paid for trophy hunting help sustain the wild life - that's their opinion, not mine.

As to hunting from a helicopter - well I think that isn't right either.
Not sure anyone really hunts because they are hungry in the developed world... but the fact is that some farms simply wouldnt exist if it wasnt for hunting...

So take away the hunting, then the farm goes. I just cannot see how this can be good for conservation....

Conservation is not only about the animals you can see but there are millions of others who are supported by these farms and areas used for hunting... but this is an ongoing conversation here so I acknowledge this will be countered shortly...
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Unread post by Fransw » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:06 am

Who knows the "Lesser Kudu" from Ethiopia?

Smaller about the size of a big Impala ram..
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Unread post by Rooster » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:15 am

I hunt, because if I don't get in quickly and shoot as many as I can, there'll be nothing left.
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Unread post by Airwayfreak » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:24 am

Falafel wrote:
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So take away the hunting, then the farm goes. I just cannot see how this can be good for conservation....
The animals on hunting farms are all destined to be shot and are bred for this purpose only.

Its been proven that revenue derived from hunting stays within the hunting fraternity only. The assertion that hunting supports conservation is disingenuous
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Re: Helicopters and Hunting

Unread post by Jack Welles » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:40 am

Airwayfreak wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:24 am
Falafel wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:50 am
So take away the hunting, then the farm goes. I just cannot see how this can be good for conservation....
The animals on hunting farms are all destined to be shot and are bred for this purpose only. Its been proven that revenue derived from hunting stays within the hunting fraternity only. The assertion that hunting supports conservation is disingenuous.
With the greatest respect this seems a little simplistic. Just as a stud bull is kept to help breed better cattle (for slaughter or milking) so many of the game animals are kept to produce better examples of their breed (which are then hunted), which also helps to keep diversity going etc. So not necessarily all are going to be shot. In addition the money doesn't just stay within the hunting fraternity because they don't exist in an socio-eco-system bubble. Just as one example some farmers use the money from hunting to subsidise their other farming activities, making the unit as a whole viable.

I am not writing all this in support of hunting (or against it) merely suggesting that the topic is a lot more complicated than can be expressed in 140 characters on social media.

It's an emotive topic for many (on both sides of th argument) and as a result discussions tend to be driven more by emotion than logic.
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