We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by excolonial » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:52 pm

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And so it turns out the perpetrators were white Afrikaners, friends of the victims.
Probably not what you had in mind with your original post.
That assumption points both ways cage, surely you can see the irony of your words?

Many crimes, particularly ones such as this are perpetrated by hidden actors, so even if the face of the crime is one flavour the perpetrator may very often be another.
The older I get, the more I am convinced that "A Confederacy of Dunces" is non fiction.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by cage » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:59 pm

excolonial wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:52 pm
That assumption points both ways cage, surely you can see the irony of your words?
I am sure you will point it out.

All I ever suggested was not to jump to conclusions, it is easy to leap at anything that affirms ones beliefs, particularly if you never look at the whole picture.
Nothing is ever absolute, black or white.
If you want to survive the modern world, you have to widen your views and not believe everything that comes your way - all that leads to is emotion which clouds judgement.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by cage » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:05 pm

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Eisch Roger - when someone who is struggling to make ends meet posts an article like this I will find it a little more authentic.
Have you considered that he and his family have been successful because of this philosophy?

You tend to attract what you put back into the world, if all you send is negativity, that is what you will receive.
People aren't attracted to unhappy, negative characters, apart from other unhappy negative people.

Charismatic, outgoing and positive people tend to succeed.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by excolonial » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:07 pm

Agreed Cage - we are all guilty of prejudice, and that is not simply a matter of colour, but also a matter of perceived ideology, class, religion, or simply a perception of danger.

You jumped to a conclusion which is precisely what you suggested others should not do. No-ones perfect, except perhaps me and some other dude they keep harping on about in the bible.

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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by cage » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:10 pm

excolonial wrote:
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You jumped to a conclusion which is precisely what you suggested others should not do.
I must have missed that, these days I try not to jump to conclusions, my neurosurgeon says jumping is a bad idea.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by excolonial » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:11 pm

cage wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:05 pm
excolonial wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:13 pm
Eisch Roger - when someone who is struggling to make ends meet posts an article like this I will find it a little more authentic.
Have you considered that he and his family have been successful because of this philosophy?

You tend to attract what you put back into the world, if all you send is negativity, that is what you will receive.
People aren't attracted to unhappy, negative characters, apart from other unhappy negative people.

Charismatic, outgoing and positive people tend to succeed.
I think that is simplistic, and I certainly gave credit where credit is due. He comes from a well to do and well connected background, which I decided not to mention, as this is also not necessarily a precursor of success.

I am naturally a very positive person, and I encourage my friends as much as is humanly possible. However I am very wary of prescribing solutions to other people. I used to do this a lot, and it was rarely appreciated - sometimes forcefully so.
The older I get, the more I am convinced that "A Confederacy of Dunces" is non fiction.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by cage » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:25 pm

excolonial wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:11 pm
I am naturally a very positive person, and I encourage my friends as much as is humanly possible. However I am very wary of prescribing solutions to other people. I used to do this a lot, and it was rarely appreciated - sometimes forcefully so.
Agreed, but we need differing viewpoints, particularly at a time when there is such an imbalance in what makes the public domain.
He didn't say anything I have not said or thought, or indeed others, though probably not as eloquently.
He summed up the mindset well wrt to commitment and being economic prisoners, something a passport does not change.

Stagnating, or paralysis due to indecision and lack of options, is bad for everyone.

It's a simple philosophy, make the most of the options you have and pick a path.
Don't worry about stuff you can do nothing about, spend the energy on things that can change your life.

There must be a billion self-help books pushing the same theme so there must be some truth to it.
At least this was free advice ;)
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by excolonial » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:31 pm

Agreed with most as always, although I think that is probably obvious by now. It seems we all disagree on the finer points, but are mostly pulling in the same direction.

Aluta continua.

As for the rubbish that did the kidnapping, I hope they are dealt with severely, even if they acted out of frustration/revenge.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:36 pm

cage wrote:
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If people with capital felt secure in SA - they would be investing more and staying...They're not. And SA hasn't survived JZ's impact by a long shot... :idea:
While it is impossible to measure, I wonder how many wouldn't be tipped over the leave mental "threshold" if there was less influence from the effects of negative info and more balanced (or rather, less emotional) views being aired.
The craziness on the other side of the political spectrum just puts the cherry on top.

The volume of stuff that is spread on messaging and social media apps that slags off SA, but is just recycled info in a different context or plain fake, is staggering - and no one checks.
Nearly a month later :D

How do we see the events of the past week :?:
Anything positive about the behavior of the masses to encourage those who can leave to rather stay and await the upswing :?:
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by Jack Welles » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:50 pm

Ugly Duckling wrote:
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Anything positive about the behavior of the masses to encourage those who can leave to rather stay and await the upswing :?:
Definitely not, can only exacerbate the situation. Just more and more ammunition for the d&g crowd.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by cage » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:52 pm

Ugly Duckling wrote:
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How do we see the events of the past week :?:
Anything positive about the behavior of the masses to encourage those who can leave to rather stay and await the upswing :?:
I have been a bit distracted by the circus that is Brexit, which has been a reminder that all politicians are useless, not just ours.

I would ask, what has changed from previous events, how has it actually affected you, and what can you do about it?
It just seems more of the same and no more or less severe than last time.
It is what it is.

I have my head down, trying to deal with problems I can actually do something about and that will materially affect people closer to me - so I crack on with that.
I don't give up mental cycles for free, particularly if they could be doing something more constructive.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by Jack Welles » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:00 pm

cage wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:52 pm
Ugly Duckling wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:36 pm
How do we see the events of the past week :?:
Anything positive about the behavior of the masses to encourage those who can leave to rather stay and await the upswing :?:
I have been a bit distracted by the circus that is Brexit, which has been a reminder that all politicians are useless, not just ours.
BoJo has a masterplan 8) :lol:
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by Roger » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:56 pm

Some more positive that came to mind when someone mentioned an upswing. Well, how cool is the Bok recent performances? Now that was an upswing worth waiting for.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:50 pm

Roger wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:56 pm
Some more positive that came to mind when someone mentioned an upswing. Well, how cool is the Bok recent performances? Now that was an upswing worth waiting for.
Till the face real competition.....the All Blacks ???
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by Roger » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:13 pm

Marius Schrenk wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:50 pm
Roger wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:56 pm
Some more positive that came to mind when someone mentioned an upswing. Well, how cool is the Bok recent performances? Now that was an upswing worth waiting for.
Till the face real competition.....the All Blacks ???
They did just a few weeks back.
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