We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:09 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
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Surely we’ve established that crime is not good for the economy, and rather the doom and gloom (situation) and not the doom and gloomers (people) should be survived.
I'm pretty sure most will agree that crime is not good for the economy. But I'm not sure about the rest of that sentence. I'm a great believer in the "man-at-the-top" theory, eg, a Whitey Basson set the tone for the success of Checkers, Boris Johnson sets the tone from Chequers (couldn't resist :D ), Zuma set the tone for the nine wasted years and Cyril is setting a better tone now.

In other words, fixing a negative politico-economic situation isn't just about making structural changes (eg, privatising SOE's) it's also about creating a belief in people generally that things can come right. The private sector is sitting on a ton of money that could have a significant economic impact if deployed immediately but it isn't because of the d&g crowd.

Ditto with a positive vibe in SA overseas money would flood in to take advantage of new opportunities. A major contributor to a positive vibe would be a change in the attitude of the people.
Eddy we as citizens have limited control over the (bad) decisions made by the anc and their govmint. Private enterprise are sitting on a "ton" of money,not because they love to but because they have to satisfy their shareholders. If they read the future wrong they are gone. The guys that should be showing us the Utopia they created(or hope to) are fighting each other to get closer to the crib,instead of concentrating on a better future for all. The signals they are sending out (Expropriation without compensation....NHC....socialist/communist economic thinking/labour laws) are not what one could call "investor friendly"....They know exactly what is needed (Like Tito showed this week) but they are stuck in the past....and they are keeping their Prez at ransom.It has nothing to do with D&G...just realistic investors waiting for some good (trustworthy) signes from Govmint.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by excolonial » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:15 pm

I think many people here are guilty of ascribing their effectively eurocentric view on what constitutes a rational way forward for both the electorate and the government. It seems that we are all prone to assuming that the "logical path" is evident to those in power. The whole "surely we have hit rock bottom now", and "surely they can see no reasonable future in this" discussion has happened too many times for us Zimbabweans, who naiively assumed that everyone could see what we were seeing. It is clear that many did not, until it was way too late, and now have no intention of changing course.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by Jack Welles » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:55 pm

Marius Schrenk wrote:
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The signals they are sending out (Expropriation without compensation....NHC....socialist/communist economic thinking/labour laws) are not what one could call "investor friendly"....They know exactly what is needed (Like Tito showed this week) but they are stuck in the past....and they are keeping their Prez at ransom.It has nothing to do with D&G...just realistic investors waiting for some good (trustworthy) signes from Govmint.
:D then you're just saying what I'm saying, ie, it's the oke at the top that has to set the tone. The difference of opinion is whether enough tone-setting is being done or not.

So the d&g crowd say, "No, it's not good enough.". Some even say, "It will never be good enough. Look at Zimbabwe." And we know what they really mean by that :wink:

The hopeful crowd say, "Cyril has to keep a wary eye on the hoi polloi (voters) so makes noises like EWC, NHI ect while slowly putting into place Zondo-type commissions to call out the worst crims and institute (hopefully :D ) Mboweni-type plans." Slowly, slowly catchee monkey...

Only time will tell who is right ...
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by Richard007 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:29 pm

The oke at the top? Seems the cat got his tongue.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:39 pm

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The oke at the top? Seems the cat got his tongue.
At the risk of being called a optimist I can assure you,you do not know the Venda's. :wink: :D especially the Lemba's among them. =D>
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by richard C » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:44 pm

I will credit Cyril with one thing - he certainly knows how to play the long game.

Less than 18 months ago (I think it was), we were breathtakingly close to having another Zuma as president. We have a come a long way since then, even if it feels glacial.

…..and so go the fairytales in my head that help me fall asleep every night... :lol: :lol:
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by Roger » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:46 pm

Perhaps it is just bad marketing on behalf of the good news events that have taken place. Lets face it, bad news sells. So take a minute or five to digest the better news in this article:
https://www.news24.com/Columnists/Guest ... e-20190822
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by richard C » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:41 pm

Roger wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:46 pm
Perhaps it is just bad marketing on behalf of the good news events that have taken place. Lets face it, bad news sells. So take a minute or five to digest the better news in this article:
https://www.news24.com/Columnists/Guest ... e-20190822
Now that made my day !!! Hummff - maybe not so glacial after all !!
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

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richard C wrote:
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I will credit Cyril with one thing - he certainly knows how to play the long game.

Less than 18 months ago (I think it was), we were breathtakingly close to having another Zuma as president. We have a come a long way since then, even if it feels glacial.

…..and so go the fairytales in my head that help me fall asleep every night... :lol: :lol:
=D> =D> Us D&G guys wish like hell we are wrong.....but at least we are honest and realistic.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by excolonial » Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:18 pm

Roger wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:46 pm
Perhaps it is just bad marketing on behalf of the good news events that have taken place. Lets face it, bad news sells. So take a minute or five to digest the better news in this article:
https://www.news24.com/Columnists/Guest ... e-20190822
Hmm, seems a positive bit of progress at face value. Who is this Lamola chap? At the risk of being ageist, he seems mighty young to fill that post.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by snoopy » Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:27 pm

Exercise faith, hope and love...and do what is right. True justice establishes peace.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by Roger » Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:10 pm

Some more optimistic views to brighten up the day:
https://www.biznews.com/undictated/2019 ... imistic-sa
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by cage » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:15 pm

Roger wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:10 pm
Some more optimistic views to brighten up the day:
https://www.biznews.com/undictated/2019 ... imistic-sa
Eddie, he stole our material. Let's sue the optimism out of him ;)
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by excolonial » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:13 pm

Roger wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:10 pm
Some more optimistic views to brighten up the day:
https://www.biznews.com/undictated/2019 ... imistic-sa
Eisch Roger - when someone who is struggling to make ends meet posts an article like this I will find it a little more authentic. This chap is clearly a very agile and smart individual who has succeeded in isolating himself from the reality most South African wage slaves are facing. That is of course to his credit, and his parents, teachers et al. Of course many/most of his points are valid, and I agree with much of what he writes, but sadly not the substance of how someone without his gifts/circumstance should be feeling about or planning for the future.
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Re: We survived Zuma, but can we survive the prophets of doom?

Unread post by cage » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:36 am

Swartbok wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:49 pm
cage wrote:
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Swartbok wrote:
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https://m.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/j ... l-20190902

Tell these parents to be cautiously optimistic and that statistically the numbers are insignificant.
Without knowing the context of this it would be premature to take it as validation of a bigger, overall problem.
Using it to prove a point is a little vulgar.
I would doubt this was a random crime, it most likely was organised targeting people who's background, associations and affiliations we don't know.
You don't demand that sort of money unless you think you're going to get paid.
Kidnappings are not common in SA, apart from "international businessmen".

I hope they find the buggars responsible and the child comes home safely.
Never said it was common in SA, but I am saying that such remarks are of no Solace to the family.

Like I said, go tell those parents (not me here on Avcom) that it’s not common, and see if it makes any difference.

It’s not a validation of serious crime problems in SA ? In broad daylight?
And so it turns out the perpetrators were white Afrikaners, friends of the victims.
Probably not what you had in mind with your original post.

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