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Energy crises - Pick your poison

Unread post by snoopy » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:54 pm

So you can either attempt to be bullish and try to boost the economy, but if the GDP goes up with more than 0.1% you can expect more candlelit dinners, cold lunches , rotten food in the fridge, and hot softdrinks and beer...and more BLACKOUTS :lol:

If you ask me they've now pretty much "forked it up" solidly.

Eskom: SA on brink of load shedding Aug 21 2019 ....again, after how many bailouts, a 22% tariff increase and a demand for another 80% increase.

https://www.fin24.com/Economy/eskom-sa- ... g-20190821?
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:59 pm

Reckon we need to get those decommissioned nuclear submarines in here ASAP to help generate electricty :lol:
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Unread post by Fransw » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:00 pm

Snoopy, I will do anything to keep my beer cold! :shock:

I have no idea but isn't the Moz gas project a small light in the tunnel for us, in the not to far distance?
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Unread post by snoopy » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:04 pm

Not in ESKOMs 10 year plan at all...they are going for PV,concentrated solar power units, JET A1 gas turbines, a small bit of hydro, more coal, and windmills like Don Quixote.

Then if the GDP cant increase with 0.1% without facing MORE blackouts...it doesnt really matter anymore does it. Its truly FUBAR. :twisted:

Not to mention the population wont be able to afford a 80% tariff hike.

They would have been far better off investing more modular nuclear power units.

Remember ESKOMs small print says (protected by NERSA policy) - they dont guarantee constant power supply - and therefore cannot be sued if the country goes dark.
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:13 pm

Actually not true that nuclear is permanently excluded -

https://ewn.co.za/2019/08/21/sa-to-cons ... rdable-way

And what about those subs ???????????????????????????? :lol:
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Unread post by snoopy » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:15 pm

I have the ESKOM report in front of me.

The foreword of the 10 year plan, starts off like this...

"Electricity is the lifeblood of the 21st-century lifestyle ".... :twisted: :lol:

Any new nuclear will only be considered after 2028.

And after the Russians have blown themselves up a few times as they seem to be a bit over confident as to the compact size they "can" build nuclear power plants into (recently) - they will have to go knock on more reliable doors. My guess is China will be their next door... for copies of US designed MNRs...after China has "borrowed" the plans for them.

Now their latest statement comes AFTER more than 47 IPPs have been plugged into the grid already.

A rather crazy predicament they have put this country in now.
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Unread post by snoopy » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:52 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:59 pm
Reckon we need to get those decommissioned nuclear submarines in here ASAP to help generate electricty :lol:
That could actually solve the utility's over-staffing issues in a flash...or two. Not sure it will solve the production side for long...if they're Russian subs. :twisted:
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Unread post by Orthin Opter » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:04 pm

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Not to mention the population wont be able to afford a 80% tariff hike.
That is because they are only 20% of the population. The other 80% don't pay for electricity. Ask all the local councils around the country.
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Unread post by Christo » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:23 am

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/3 ... bfqGGFFuZM

How they want to fix their income crisis! Just went onto solar, my bill last month was a healthy R0, guess I can kiss that goodbye now :( :( or I need to go full off grid ( another R100K investment )
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Unread post by Whirly » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:35 am

Christo wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:23 am
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/3 ... bfqGGFFuZM

How they want to fix their income crisis! Just went onto solar, my bill last month was a healthy R0, guess I can kiss that goodbye now :( :( or I need to go full off grid ( another R100K investment )
What about houses, developments, areas with electricity that are many, many years old? :? Here Eksdom has recovered their "average" cost to provide services to those many times over, the current monthly service fees should be sufficient to maintain those lines.

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Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:08 pm

Exdom must think everyone is stupid. If consumers are using them as a storage unit(back up battery....night use) and pay only halve the cost of a full on off grit system,which on a 5kw system is +- R100 000,do they really believe the consumer would not be willing to pay another R100 000 to kiss them goodby for ever. Who are they planning to suck dry in future if their paying customers all leave ??? Are they planning to get "the other 80%) of the country (Soweto ect.) to pay for the current free service ??? Goodluck with that. #-o
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Unread post by coline » Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:19 pm

Who are they planning to suck dry in future if their paying customers all leave ??? Are they planning to get "the other 80%) of the country (Soweto ect.) to pay for the current free service ??? Goodluck with that. #-o
Industry and thus the economy gets screwed to keep Eskom incompetent. The council ratepayers are screwed by the councils for electricity.
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Unread post by cage » Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:21 pm

It's a brilliant idea. This way when they load shed, they won't have reduced income.
Hell, you could not provide any electricity and people still have to pay.
Fantastic business model, proven by the COCT with the water levy.

When you can't supply enough and people save, then your income goes down.
Instead of providing a competant service rather increase prices because all those interest charges won't pay themselves.
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Unread post by bosvark » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:03 pm

I don't know what you negative, anti SA's are on about :evil: The sun is shining, Armageddon is not going to hit and everything will soon be as in the bad old good days again. SAL will be flying (without syndicate supplied pirate/untraceable history spares).Trains will be keeping heavy loads off the roads again. Escom will be supplying clean electricity at a cost efficient rate to all and still be making a good profit which can be re-invested back in the economy (Debt has been repaid). There will be lots of surplus off-grid solar, wind and batteries at give-away prices available. The mislike-palities will be rendering sterling service. The Simple Service will not be simple anymore. Health services like in Singapore. The looted trillions will soon be recoverd. (What is a 100 years now for a prospering nation with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? No potholes. Pilot licence renewals and ATF's etc, 2 hours.....and, and and. Just give the saviour a bit of time.....
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Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:28 pm

bosvark wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:03 pm
I don't know what you negative, anti SA's are on about :evil: The sun is shining, Armageddon is not going to hit and everything will soon be as in the bad old good days again. SAL will be flying (without syndicate supplied pirate/untraceable history spares).Trains will be keeping heavy loads off the roads again. Escom will be supplying clean electricity at a cost efficient rate to all and still be making a good profit which can be re-invested back in the economy (Debt has been repaid). There will be lots of surplus off-grid solar, wind and batteries at give-away prices available. The mislike-palities will be rendering sterling service. The Simple Service will not be simple anymore. Health services like in Singapore. The looted trillions will soon be recoverd. (What is a 100 years now for a prospering nation with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? No potholes. Pilot licence renewals and ATF's etc, 2 hours.....and, and and. Just give the saviour a bit of time.....
It used to be that way...in the "bad old days".....why not again....its what everyone wants ??? That is why I'm so positive about the feucha....It can only get betta....Its really lazy to accept the current situation as n given and write letters of praize to Avcom if you get your licence in 24 hrs instead of 2 and get excited about the second trip there. :roll: #-o
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