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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by Whirly » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:31 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
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cage wrote:
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Jack Welles wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:58 pm

Just guessing, but wouldn't the BMW have airbags and wouldn't that model of Totyota not have them?
driver-side airbags have been mandatory/standard for a long time.
There may just be a lot less upfront (curtain, side etc etc), not to mention a somewhat more robust vehicle.
If you were determined to shuffle off your mortal coil, a less substantial vehicle choice would be the way to go.
Neither my wife's Toyota Corolla nor my Toyota Land Cruiser have airbags. Thus a possibility exists that the Toyota (??) used by Watson didn't have airbags.
It did, it also ran on petrol...............................not coal like yours! :lol:

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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by Jack Welles » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:36 pm

Whirly wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:31 pm
Jack Welles wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:28 pm
cage wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:07 pm

driver-side airbags have been mandatory/standard for a long time.
There may just be a lot less upfront (curtain, side etc etc), not to mention a somewhat more robust vehicle.
If you were determined to shuffle off your mortal coil, a less substantial vehicle choice would be the way to go.
Neither my wife's Toyota Corolla nor my Toyota Land Cruiser have airbags. Thus a possibility exists that the Toyota (??) used by Watson didn't have airbags.
It did, it also ran on petrol...............................not coal like yours! :lol: Whirly.
Good grief! Have they got to coal already, mine is still woodburning :?
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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by Whirly » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:44 pm

@Jack,

:lol: :lol: ..................................and they are still going, not?

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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by Deanw » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:12 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:28 pm
Neither my wife's Toyota Corolla nor my Toyota Land Cruiser have airbags. Thus a possibility exists that the Toyota (??) used by Watson didn't have airbags.
Photos of the vehicle show deployed airbag(s).
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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by Whirly » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:20 pm

Deanw wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:12 pm
Jack Welles wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:28 pm
Neither my wife's Toyota Corolla nor my Toyota Land Cruiser have airbags. Thus a possibility exists that the Toyota (??) used by Watson didn't have airbags.
Photos of the vehicle show deployed airbag(s).
Yes, they do. I saw what appears to be a blood stained steering wheel airbag in one of the photos.

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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by cage » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:11 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:28 pm
Neither my wife's Toyota Corolla nor my Toyota Land Cruiser have airbags. Thus a possibility exists that the Toyota (??) used by Watson didn't have airbags.
I suspect Watson's Toyota didn't originally ship with van Riebeeck ;)
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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by Jack Welles » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:05 pm

Ah, to be rich like you okes, I can only dream :lol:

More seriously if you were going to kill yourself in a car crash wouldn't you disable the airbag?
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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:09 pm

Some passenger airbags can be disabled if baby car seats are fitted. Have not heard of driver's side option.
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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by cage » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:27 pm

Ugly Duckling wrote:
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Some passenger airbags can be disabled if baby car seats are fitted. Have not heard of driver's side option.
Correct. In Europe this option was required. In SA cars the key option to disable it was often removed.
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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by Faraway » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:22 pm

The airbags are ineffective without seatbelts worn.
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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by Jack Welles » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:04 am

Faraway wrote:
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The airbags are ineffective without seatbelts worn.
Ineffective in that they don't work at all (some sort of triggering device) or ineffective in that on their own they don't help that much?
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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by Whirly » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:10 am

Faraway wrote:
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The airbags are ineffective without seatbelts worn.
The seatbelt was clipped in, but routed behind his back, that was to stop the buzzing noise and that obviously also told the computer that the belt was on.

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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by Deanw » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:19 am

It would make sense that an airbag is only effective as part of a comprehensive safety regime, ie, airbag(s), seat belt worn correctly, not sitting too close to airbag, etc.

A steering wheel airbag alone may not be sufficient to save you without the seat belt, which often have crash detecting sensors and retention/retraction systems built in.
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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by RiNCEw1ND » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:51 am

Faraway wrote:
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The airbags are ineffective without seatbelts worn.
Not only ineffective. They can be dangerous when activated without use of a seatbelt. The design is such that you should hit the airbag and not the airbag hit you when they deploy. They deploy with massive, massive force. If you are already too close (due lack of seatbelt) they will seriously injure you.
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Re: Should we be suspicious ?

Unread post by 87Juliet » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:56 am

RiNCEw1ND wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:51 am
Faraway wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:22 pm
The airbags are ineffective without seatbelts worn.
Not only ineffective. They can be dangerous when activated without use of a seatbelt. The design is such that you should hit the airbag and not the airbag hit you when they deploy. They deploy with massive, massive force. If you are already too close (due lack of seatbelt) they will seriously injure you.
The airbag deployment force is quite something and it's all over before you even know it.

From Wiki:
Typically, the decision to deploy an airbag in a frontal crash is made within 15 to 30 milliseconds after the onset of the crash, and both the driver and passenger airbags are fully inflated within approximately 60–80 milliseconds after the first moment of vehicle contact.
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