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Roets & old flag

Unread post by Jack Welles » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:57 pm

Judge rules that Roets was not in contempt of court for tweeting a picture of the old flag after the gratuitous flying of the old flag was earlier ruled hate speech.
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Re: Roets & old flag

Unread post by Iceberg » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:16 pm

This whole old flag being hate speech thing is a bit weird...

I have no interest in the old flag but what if I restore an old German warbird and paint Swastikas all over it - as it was in WW2.
Then I proudly display it and fly it at air shows. I am surely going to get flak (maybe the real WW2 kind. :wink: ).
Maybe even get the Swastika banned. Then what next.?

I think PC is being stretched a bit far, but let's not discuss it before we get banned. 8-[
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Re: Roets & old flag

Unread post by Whirly » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:18 pm

.................................................but, he might soon be found to have breached the provisions of the Equality Act (whatever that means! :? ).

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Re: Roets & old flag

Unread post by cage » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:22 pm

Iceberg wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:16 pm
This whole old flag being hate speech thing is a bit weird...

I have no interest in the old flag but what if I restore an old German warbird and paint Swastikas all over it - as it was in WW2.
Then I proudly display it and fly it at air shows. I am surely going to get flak (maybe the real WW2 kind. :wink: ).
Maybe even get the Swastika banned. Then what next.?

I think PC is being stretched a bit far, but let's not discuss it before we get banned. 8-[
The law makes provision for artistic use and for the benefit of the public.
You could easily argue that preserving an authentic aircraft (same applies to old SAA livery) is just that.
It's when it get's tattooed on the forehead of a skinhead that it becomes problematic.
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Re: Roets & old flag

Unread post by Jack Welles » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:25 pm

Iceberg wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:16 pm
This whole old flag being hate speech thing is a bit weird...

I have no interest in the old flag but what if I restore an old German warbird and paint Swastikas all over it - as it was in WW2.
Then I proudly display it and fly it at air shows. I am surely going to get flak (maybe the real WW2 kind. :wink: ).
Maybe even get the Swastika banned. Then what next.?

I think PC is being stretched a bit far, but let's not discuss it before we get banned. 8-[
Interesting point - obviously Nazi symbols are not banned in SA (and probably will never be) but they certainly are in Germany.

It's not the PC angle that bothers me but the legal, technical angle because "hate speech" is defined (and I don't think a flag qualifies) and I would really like someone (Afriforum?) to take that decision on appeal.
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Re: Roets & old flag

Unread post by excolonial » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:25 pm

Iceberg wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:16 pm

Maybe even get the Swastika banned. Then what next.?
It is banned in Germany, among a multitude of other things related to ze war.
The older I get, the more I am convinced that "A Confederacy of Dunces" is non fiction.
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Re: Roets & old flag

Unread post by cage » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:29 pm

excolonial wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:25 pm
It is banned in Germany, among a multitude of other things related to ze war.
<diversion alert>
Reminds me of that great sketch that could never be made today..
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Re: Roets & old flag

Unread post by Iceberg » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:29 pm

cage wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:22 pm
Iceberg wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:16 pm
This whole old flag being hate speech thing is a bit weird...

I have no interest in the old flag but what if I restore an old German warbird and paint Swastikas all over it - as it was in WW2.
Then I proudly display it and fly it at air shows. I am surely going to get flak (maybe the real WW2 kind. :wink: ).
Maybe even get the Swastika banned. Then what next.?

I think PC is being stretched a bit far, but let's not discuss it before we get banned. 8-[
The law makes provision for artistic use and for the benefit of the public.
You could easily argue that preserving an authentic aircraft (same applies to old SAA livery) is just that.
It's when it get's tattooed on the forehead of a skinhead that it becomes problematic.
This can become a very fuzzy grey area. Remember the saga of the Zuma painting that was defaced, and the one of the guy wearing a suit saying "f... white people". All in the name of "art", except most people don't really get it.
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Re: Roets & old flag

Unread post by Jack Welles » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:30 pm

excolonial wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:25 pm
Iceberg wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:16 pm

Maybe even get the Swastika banned. Then what next.?
It is banned in Germany, among a multitude of other things related to ze war.
Yep, they closed down a theme park ride recently because the seating thingies (name?) were shaped like a swastika.
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Re: Roets & old flag

Unread post by cage » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:33 pm

Iceberg wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:29 pm
This can become a very fuzzy grey area. Remember the saga of the Zuma painting that was defaced, and the one of the guy wearing a suit saying "f... white people". All in the name of "art", except most people don't really get it.
Well, indeed.
Legal and popular aren't the same thing.
While artistic expression can push boundaries (or sometimes just buttons) it can solicit an unpleasant reaction that, of itself, isn't legal -suppressing the legal freedoms afforded to us.

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