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Re: Nation-building, you can do it too...

Unread post by Jack Welles » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:36 am

#Imstaying

Friday, 4 Dec 2019, morning, 487k members and still growing =D>

Will it make 500k by Sunday night?
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Unread post by cage » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:37 am

Jack Welles wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:36 am
#Im staying

Friday 4 Dec 2019, morning..
Bit early to be on the Rose' ;)
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cage wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:37 am
Jack Welles wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:36 am
#Im staying
Friday 4 Dec 2019, morning..
Bit early to be on the Rose' ;)
Pinot Grigio spritzers :lol: and it is Friday ...
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Unread post by Swartbok » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:41 am

Ray W wrote:
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Lets try to keep this thread positive please.
Are we only considered positive if we are positive about SA? Can’t people be positive about other things, places or circumstances also ?

As I said above, I sincerely hope this movement somehow brings positive change and it lasts. It would give me a certain drive to come back if it’s achieved proven and maintained and I hope all the best for the movement, but I’m not joining it.

As an aside: so many other threads where people like me were discussing expat tax options, Sniper’s well intentioned lists etc. were party crashed and baited until they turned political and were locked and everyone gave up. They may not have been positive or seemingly have positive results in some people’s views, and instead of refraining they chose to gatecrash under the pretense of balanced views.

I’ll stop it now on this thread, my point was how negative and poisonous even the well meaning do gooders can be also.

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Unread post by Swartbok » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:43 am

Roger wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:22 am
Missing the point. The request was to keep this a positive thread. There are plenty other threads on this very platform where you are welcome to post as much negativity you like, or even start another anti-thread for the negatives.

Posters who have chosen to continue with the negatives are just being disrespectful to that request. It is plain bad manners. If I am intolerant owing to that well you are perfectly correct.
There were a few such threads, and most got locked, see my comment above.
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Unread post by excolonial » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:21 am

I am actually all for people banding together with a positive purpose in mind. I sincerely hope that the folks who join will use their potential to push through some positive changes. As with all large groups achieving any semblance of unanimity on key issues may be tricky. On balance it can't be a bad thing, surely? Even if it is merely a simple validation of ones viewpoint, which will surely act as a de-stressor(is there such a word?).

I am not a fan of the data miner known as fakebook for my own tinfoil hat reasons about their intent and honesty (which seem to be validated with every new investigation of them). Mindless group think is not a solution, but I think the majority of those in this group are aware of the problems in SA, perhaps an obvious statement given their need to find like minded people.
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:28 am

Can't do any harm for a bunch of us to bouy each other up with a little mutual good news/feelings :smt023
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Unread post by Ray W » Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:44 pm

Jack Welles wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:28 am
Can't do any harm for a bunch of us to bouy each other up with a little mutual good news/feelings :smt023
Thanks Jack
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Unread post by cage » Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:02 am

It is normal and healthy to want to be reminded about the good in people.
100% of what we see is focused on the small percentage of bad stuff that goes on in the world, it creates a distorted view that is completely out of perspective, it undermines society and kills trust because we are lead to believe that everyone are trolls, bullies, scammers and thieves, when most people are in fact just kind and good-natured and all want pretty similar things out of life.

Being reminded that there is kindness and goodness in a world that is often quite ugly, is a good thing.
It is not naive to think that way.
The alternative of living consumed by fear, frustration and anger is a horrible and unhealthy way to to live, the desire to keep propagating these feelings is not a public service, it just contributes to a bigger problem.

I'm not on facebook (can't stand the thing) so won't be joining, but if it brightens someones day, then good for them.
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Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:38 am

cage wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:02 am
It is normal and healthy to want to be reminded about the good in people.
100% of what we see is focused on the small percentage of bad stuff that goes on in the world, it creates a distorted view that is completely out of perspective, it undermines society and kills trust because we are lead to believe that everyone are trolls, bullies, scammers and thieves, when most people are in fact just kind and good-natured and all want pretty similar things out of life.

Being reminded that there is kindness and goodness in a world that is often quite ugly, is a good thing.
It is not naive to think that way.
The alternative of living consumed by fear, frustration and anger is a horrible and unhealthy way to to live, the desire to keep propagating these feelings is not a public service, it just contributes to a bigger problem.

I'm not on facebook (can't stand the thing) so won't be joining, but if it brightens someones day, then good for them.
=D> =D> Now we are back on the same page. I always say we have very well mannered people on average in the country. If you keep in mind how useless the management of the county is,its amazing to see how well everything functions.You get the odd d00s or taxi driver here and there but in spite of them people get along peacefully.I'm not the most cuddly business owner but my people generally stay with me for years (if they make it through the first 3 months).One cannot run any kind of a business if you cannot delegate.There is also zero pleasure in doing a job if you are only there to manually complete "orders" from above.It seems CR is slowly turning things around. Take for instance Tito's plan(I'm sure he had lots of good advice)
I first thought it would be impossible to get it past Cosatu and the communists,but it seems they are slowly being convinced.Maybe we needed old Jacob just to show us what we should not do and how bad the consequences could be.(Eisch but we only needed to cross the borders north :? )For now I have a glimmer of hope.....Shapiro must have some hope too....the shower head is not often seen these day's. :wink:
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:02 am

Only in Muizies ...

This am on my run I saw a 50/55 year old male in a wetsuit with a surfboard heading for the beach, but the kicker is that he was zooming along on his skateboard to get there ...

Not long after an old duck, probably circa 60 years of age, came zooming past on a scooter, maybe she'll lose the handle one of these days and go full-on skateboard soon, who knows?

There's something in the air, both looked terribly chipper ...
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Unread post by Wonko the Sane » Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:47 am

Jack Welles wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:02 am
Only in Muizies ...

This am on my run I saw a 50/55 year old male ....

Not long after an old duck, probably circa 60 years of age.....

There's something in the air, both looked terribly chipper ...
They are then clearly not on Avcom...

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Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:42 pm

Wonko the Sane wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:47 am
Jack Welles wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:02 am
Only in Muizies ...

This am on my run I saw a 50/55 year old male ....

Not long after an old duck, probably circa 60 years of age.....

There's something in the air, both looked terribly chipper ...
They are then clearly not on Avcom...

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