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747 cargo jet goes off runway at Halifax airport

Unread post by Deanw » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:54 pm

7 Nov 2018: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-sco ... -1.4895103
747 cargo jet goes off runway at Halifax airport

Officials at Stanfield International Airport near Halifax activated their emergency operations centre early Wednesday morning after a 747 cargo jet went off the end of a runway.

The crew of five on board were removed by fire crews and taken to hospital to be treated for minor injuries.

Airport spokesperson Theresa Rath Spicer said the Sky Lease Cargo plane was making a scheduled landing to pick up product and then fly to China. The plane came to a stop less than 50 metres from a fence separating the airfield from Old Guysborough Road, a public two-lane road.

Rath Spicer said the accident happened at the end of Runway 32. The airfield was temporarily closed while a perimeter around the site was established, and then the main runway was allowed to reopen on a limited basis. The airport's website was reporting delays and cancellations for both arriving and departing flights Wednesday morning.

"We've had a number of flights either arrive or depart, however the flight schedules continue to be significantly impacted," Rath Spicer said in an interview.

"We're asking passengers to check with their airline as to their flight's status … At this point our operation is significantly impacted."

Rath Spicer said Runway 32 will remain closed "for some time" as the investigation into what happened is conducted.

Airport officials are continuing to provide updates on Twitter.

The deputy chief for Halifax Fire said the jet was not on fire and crews were attending the scene in a support role along with airport fire crews.
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Re: 747 cargo jet goes off runway at Halifax airport

Unread post by Myle » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:54 pm

Landed with a significant tail wind on 2300M odd runway. Atc transcript.

Quote:
GG 4854: „Halifax Tower, ay.. good evening SkyCube 4854 heavy, for the ILS 14.“

Tower: „SkyCube 4854 heavy, Halifax Tower Good evening runway 14, wind 260 at 15 (knots), altimeter 2967 information Tango, number one.“

GG 4854: „Roger that, we have it..“



Tower: „SkyCube 4854, tailwind now 280 at 16 confirm gusting 21, confirm runway 14 still acceptable ?“

GG 4854: „Confirm..ah, still for 14.“

Tower: „SkyCube 4854 heavy, tower roger, wind 260 at 16 gusting 21 cleared to land on 14.“

GG 4854: „Cleared to land..ah.. affir..clear to land on 14, SkyCube 4854 heavy“

Tower: „Roger.“



Tower: „SkyCube 4854 do you read ?“

GG 4854: „Halifax Tower, SkyCube 5854 is off the runway. Requesting full emergency assistance.“

Tower: „SkyCube 4854 Roger, emergency has been activated.“

At about 04:40L, about 30 minutes before the accident landing, Cargojet B757F (CJT626) landed on runway 14.
At about 04:50L, about 25 minutes before the accident landing, Morningstar (FDX) B757F (MAL8062) landed on runway 23.
At about 04:52L, about 23 minutes before the accident landing, a Learjet 35A landed on runway 23.
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Unread post by Christo » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:52 pm

That's a write-off :(
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Re: 747 cargo jet goes off runway at Halifax airport

Unread post by Garmil1 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:25 am

That aircraft was parked next to us in Chicago two days ago. Sad to see a 747 go like that. Small company, this will hurt them.
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Re: 747 cargo jet goes off runway at Halifax airport

Unread post by Antman » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:21 am

Got to ask why you’d land a B747 on a 2347m runway with a quartering gusty tailwind
When a 3200m runway with a headwind component is available.

ATC clearly advised of tailwind and asked if it was still acceptable.
Sounds like crew didn’t quite understand that transmission from ATC.

Wonder how long they had been on duty?

Sad for there careers and another 747 gone.
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Re: 747 cargo jet goes off runway at Halifax airport

Unread post by fly1981 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:03 am

The 0900z metar reports cloud Bkn 005, wind is very gusty, but cross. Ils 23 is reported u/s. The incident happened at 0906z. That’s getting fairly close to preferred ils minima. Having flown a good few 744 freighters, many of them do not meet the requirements to fly rnp approaches, this one may well have, however, the only plate I can find(it is outdated) is an rnav(gnss) which has an lnav/vnav minima of 764ft, not sure hat other non precision approached are available. The weather improved on the following metal to sct005, that was at 0912z, however, things change quickly in weather like that. Glad nobody was hurt, potty about the aerie, they are a dying breed as it is.
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Re: 747 cargo jet goes off runway at Halifax airport

Unread post by jimdavis » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:10 am

Antman wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:21 am
Got to ask why you’d land a B747 on a 2347m runway with a quartering gusty tailwind
When a 3200m runway with a headwind component is available.

ATC clearly advised of tailwind and asked if it was still acceptable.
Sounds like crew didn’t quite understand that transmission from ATC.

Wonder how long they had been on duty?

Sad for there careers and another 747 gone.
Wow I find it difficult to believe they didn't understand the wind story, even if they were tired. ATC made it pretty clear more than once. And if they didn't understand then they should ask ATC to say again.

Methinks they were just too lazy. I don't see any other excuse for landing with that sort of tailwind.

Question for the airline guys. Does Boeing specify a max tailwind, or is it always dependant on other factors?

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Re: 747 cargo jet goes off runway at Halifax airport

Unread post by fly1981 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:16 am

jimdavis wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:10 am
Antman wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:21 am
Got to ask why you’d land a B747 on a 2347m runway with a quartering gusty tailwind
When a 3200m runway with a headwind component is available.

ATC clearly advised of tailwind and asked if it was still acceptable.
Sounds like crew didn’t quite understand that transmission from ATC.

Wonder how long they had been on duty?

Sad for there careers and another 747 gone.
Wow I find it difficult to believe they didn't understand the wind story, even if they were tired. ATC made it pretty clear more than once. And if they didn't understand then they should ask ATC to say again.

Methinks they were just too lazy. I don't see any other excuse for landing with that sort of tailwind.

Question for the airline guys. Does Boeing specify a max tailwind, or is it always dependant on other factors?

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Re: 747 cargo jet goes off runway at Halifax airport

Unread post by wysiwyg » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:12 am

Antman wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:21 am


Wonder how long they had been on duty?
And that is always the first question I ask when I hear about an incident or crash.
I am not saying that was the case here, but duty hours are being pushed more and more all over the world. It can only lead to more crashes.
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Re: 747 cargo jet goes off runway at Halifax airport

Unread post by evanb » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:20 am

Christo wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:52 pm
That's a write-off :(
For sure, and it was one of the youngest B747-400s around ... only 13 years young!
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Re: 747 cargo jet goes off runway at Halifax airport

Unread post by Stephan van Tonder » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:04 am

I would love to see the operation to move/remove that airplane from there. Must be a bit of a logistical nightmare.
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Re: 747 cargo jet goes off runway at Halifax airport

Unread post by Toy » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:02 am

evanb wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:20 am
Christo wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:52 pm
That's a write-off :(
For sure, and it was one of the youngest B747-400s around ... only 13 years young!
Geez, what a loss.......glad there are no injuries.
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Unread post by rudolphschar » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:26 am

Stephan van Tonder wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:04 am
I would love to see the operation to move/remove that airplane from there. Must be a bit of a logistical nightmare.
I guess best will probably be just to cut it up on the spot and truck it away as scrap metal. Luckily it is not obstructing the runway. Very sad to see a magnificent bird in that sad state.
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