Aircraft missing in Mozambique

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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by jimdavis » Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:29 am

pierre gouws wrote:Routing Lilongwe Lanseria, reported Tete at 0732, eta Lakla 0844. At 0840 Ethiad relayed message to Beira that JPG lost left engine diverting to Beira eta 0954. No further comms.

Monday afternoon King air searched the area R310-360, 90-140 nm VBR. Joined tuesday by anothet King air, PC12, two SAAF C208 and TP dak.

This might help to stop speculation regarding the event.
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by MilesvdM » Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:56 am

Hoping the two guys on board are ok and can be rescued and brought back home to their families soon. The search area is vast and the SAR guys really have their work cut out for them. Sterkte to all those involved and to all those desperately awaiting the news of what they manage to find.

Its disappointing to see how little recognition there is on this thread for the people on this aircraft and that they may be in desperate need of help. Instead the monday morning quaterbacks are already warming up their same old tired theories on what happened. Shame on you.
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by richard C » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:08 am

MilesvdM wrote:Hoping the two guys on board are ok and can be rescued and brought back home to their families soon. The search area is vast and the SAR guys really have their work cut out for them. Sterkte to all those involved and to all those desperately awaiting the news of what they manage to find.

Its disappointing to see how little recognition there is on this thread for the people on this aircraft and that they may be in desperate need of help. Instead the monday morning quaterbacks are already warming up their same old tired theories on what happened. Shame on you.
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by WagAero » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:13 am

I assume that if help was required in situ's like this it would be asked for.... or is it better to volunteer... and then how could one help.. given that the S&R team is assumed to be expertly put together. There is always the feeling that one is interfering in a established process and that you would just be a nusiance!!
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Ryan Beeton » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:20 am

WagAero wrote:I assume that if help was required in situ's like this it would be asked for.... or is it better to volunteer... and then how could one help.. given that the S&R team is assumed to be expertly put together. There is always the feeling that one is interfering in a established process and that you would just be a nusiance!!
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Sea Rescue » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:34 am

Wow - Pray and hope for the best is all one can do right now ? If there were only two
people on board, as the posts suggest, then there must be a reason for them having
chosen to "put down" ??


The ELT question ? I understand that a 406Mhz unit installed and registered could cost
around R 12000 - R16000 and that a personal locator beacon (PLB) is available at a lot
less - like R4000 -R6000.

Maybe if one is going to fly "over border" it may work to club together with a friend or
two and share the use of a PLB ?? Specially flying over African countries like Mozambique
where the open areas are vast - in fact frightening at times !!

Wishing for good news.
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by John Miller » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:38 am

Milesvm said:

Its disappointing to see how little recognition there is on this thread for the people on this aircraft and that they may be in desperate need of help. Instead the monday morning quaterbacks are already warming up their same old tired theories on what happened. Shame on you.
That is avery unfair comment to make Miles and inappropriate to this section of avcom. Richard C is correct. There are many people hoping that the guys will be found. :evil:
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Givane » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:43 am

So true John...
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by hatman » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:08 am

“There is a push to make ELTs compulsory in all aircraft flying a distance from their base. Safety is used as one of the justifications for this. In my view and ELT contributes nothing to the safety of the people in the aircraft fitted ...”

It is at times like this when the above comment from a previous tread makes one wonder.
An ELT activated when the emergency started could make all the difference.
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Roger » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:20 am

MilesvdM wrote:... are already warming up their same old tired theories on what happened.
That in itself makes a big statement - in that many cases (not saying in this threads instance) we do not learn and make the same tired old mistakes again and again.....
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Christo » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:43 am

Skybound wrote:
MilesvdM wrote:... are already warming up their same old tired theories on what happened.
That in itself makes a big statement - in that many cases (not saying in this threads instance) we do not learn and make the same tired old mistakes again and again.....
also in a large % of times the speculation here were bang on!
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Reims172 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:55 am

I am surprised that an aircraft like this has no ELT. We recently bought a 1970 PA32 and it had one already fitted. It was an ex-Zim plane and maybe thats why. I also thought that it was compulsory to have an ELT for cross border flight. ELT's dont always trigger and if there was a fire it would have no chance either.
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by heisan » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:55 am

pierre gouws wrote:Routing Lilongwe Lanseria, reported Tete at 0732, eta Lakla 0844. At 0840 Ethiad relayed message to Beira that JPG lost left engine diverting to Beira eta 0954. No further comms.

Monday afternoon King air searched the area R310-360, 90-140 nm VBR. Joined tuesday by anothet King air, PC12, two SAAF C208 and TP dak.

This might help to stop speculation regarding the event.
Interesting. Can anybody with experience flying in the area please comment (I have only driven through it). Why would someone divert to Beira instead of Harare. The route to Harare is largely over developed farm lands, with a couple of good AMOs available when you get there. A diversion to Beira is over completely undeveloped (and largely unpopulated) lands - and not much assistance when you get there. But I assume there must be some significant advantage in going to Beira instead?
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Dobbs » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:07 am

Looking at the topograpgy around LAKLA, to divert to Harare you would have to get to at least 6500' to clear some mountainous terrain along the HVHA FIR as opposed to routing to Beira where the terrain is a lot lower and much flatter. With one engine, this may well have been a consideration
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by ETOPS » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:09 am

heisan wrote:
pierre gouws wrote:Routing Lilongwe Lanseria, reported Tete at 0732, eta Lakla 0844. At 0840 Ethiad relayed message to Beira that JPG lost left engine diverting to Beira eta 0954. No further comms.

Monday afternoon King air searched the area R310-360, 90-140 nm VBR. Joined tuesday by anothet King air, PC12, two SAAF C208 and TP dak.

This might help to stop speculation regarding the event.
Interesting. Can anybody with experience flying in the area please comment (I have only driven through it). Why would someone divert to Beira instead of Harare. The route to Harare is largely over developed farm lands, with a couple of good AMOs available when you get there. A diversion to Beira is over completely undeveloped (and largely unpopulated) lands - and not much assistance when you get there. But I assume there must be some significant advantage in going to Beira instead?
Perhaps they headed towards the lower ground in the direction of the coast where an aircraft is more likely to maintain on 1 engine. Assuming they were following the UG656, there would have been lots of high ground to the west of their track.
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