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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Lood » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:14 am

heisan wrote:
pierre gouws wrote:Routing Lilongwe Lanseria, reported Tete at 0732, eta Lakla 0844. At 0840 Ethiad relayed message to Beira that JPG lost left engine diverting to Beira eta 0954. No further comms.

Monday afternoon King air searched the area R310-360, 90-140 nm VBR. Joined tuesday by anothet King air, PC12, two SAAF C208 and TP dak.

This might help to stop speculation regarding the event.
Interesting. Can anybody with experience flying in the area please comment (I have only driven through it). Why would someone divert to Beira instead of Harare. The route to Harare is largely over developed farm lands, with a couple of good AMOs available when you get there. A diversion to Beira is over completely undeveloped (and largely unpopulated) lands - and not much assistance when you get there. But I assume there must be some significant advantage in going to Beira instead?
Don't know anything about twins, but the highest ground between Tete and Beira is 1500 ft and between Tete and Harare, 5800 ft. Maybe that might have influenced the decision with only one good engine.
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Dobbs » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:17 am

And it is about 40 NM closer to Beira - assuming that they were close to LAKLA
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by heisan » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:24 am

Dobbs wrote:Looking at the topograpgy around LAKLA, to divert to Harare you would have to get to at least 6500' to clear some mountainous terrain along the HVHA FIR as opposed to routing to Beira where the terrain is a lot lower and much flatter. With one engine, this may well have been a consideration
Thanks. That makes sense. So they were caught between the proverbial 'rock and a hard place'...
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Shaunus » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:54 am

What are your thoughts as to purchasing an ELT (PLB) from the States like this one (at around R3650)?

http://www.importitall.co.za/ACR-PLB375 ... XY0CQ.html

There should be no operational issues?
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by dbs » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:00 pm

CATS 91.04.23
2. Distress frequencies
Emergency locator transmitters (ELTs), required to be fitted in terms of CAR 91.04.23, shall be
capable of transmitting on the frequencies 121,5 MHz and 406 MHz simultaneously and shall
operate in accordance with the provisions of this TS.

3. Minimum number of ELTs to be carried
(2) Aeroplanes engaged in –
(a) a domestic-only general aviation operation using an aeroplane with a maximum
certificated mass exceeding 5 700 kg; and
(b) an international general aviation operation,
shall carry at least one automatic ELT.


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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Jan Floris » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:28 pm

Shaunus wrote:What are your thoughts as to purchasing an ELT (PLB) from the States like this one (at around R3650)?

http://www.importitall.co.za/ACR-PLB375 ... XY0CQ.html

There should be no operational issues?
You are hijacking the thread. This is about news of a missing plane, not shopping info..
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by zulik » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:29 pm

My prayers are for a safe outcome for the crew and passengers. I agree with miles that it is not necessary to speculate at this time. Perhaps the families are relying on information which becomes available on this blog and actually read what is posted. I think some of the comments could be offensive to them.
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Shaunus » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:44 pm

Jan Floris wrote:
Shaunus wrote:What are your thoughts as to purchasing an ELT (PLB) from the States like this one (at around R3650)?

http://www.importitall.co.za/ACR-PLB375 ... XY0CQ.html

There should be no operational issues?
You are hijacking the thread. This is about news of a missing plane, not shopping info..
Was not looking for shopping info, this thread took the line of questioning the lack of an ELT in this case, and what a difference one would make right now. I always assumed that it was expensive and/or a mission if it required ICASA registering. At under R4k, was wondering why many of us don't have. Maybe should have started a new thread but was just following on the ELT line.
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Iceberg » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:46 pm

heisan wrote:
Dobbs wrote:Looking at the topograpgy around LAKLA, to divert to Harare you would have to get to at least 6500' to clear some mountainous terrain along the HVHA FIR as opposed to routing to Beira where the terrain is a lot lower and much flatter. With one engine, this may well have been a consideration
Thanks. That makes sense. So they were caught between the proverbial 'rock and a hard place'...
LAKLA is only 8nm from Chimoio which has a 2400x45 hard surface runway. If this is near where they were, why did they not go there?
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by heisan » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:46 pm

Jan Floris wrote:
Shaunus wrote:What are your thoughts as to purchasing an ELT (PLB) from the States like this one (at around R3650)?

http://www.importitall.co.za/ACR-PLB375 ... XY0CQ.html

There should be no operational issues?
You are hijacking the thread. This is about news of a missing plane, not shopping info..
No. This forum is about LEARNING from accidents and incidents. And I, for one, would like to learn about the pros and cons of various types of ELTs, from those with more experience.
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by pilotC » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:47 pm

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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Peter L » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:54 pm

News24 say 5 on board
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by ETOPS » Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:23 pm

Peter L wrote:News24 say 5 on board
If that is true, with minimum required fuel on board for the trip they would have been in excess of the maximum take off weight, in which case a BE58 wouldn't fly far with one engine out.
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by Orange_Teletubby » Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:28 pm

ETOPS wrote:
Peter L wrote:News24 say 5 on board
If that is true, with minimum required fuel on board for the trip they would have been in excess of the maximum take off weight, in which case a BE58 wouldn't fly far with one engine out.
Well if you believe News 24 who also state it is a Baron 55, then your fuel calculations would also be incorrect.
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Re: Aircraft missing on Mozambique

Unread post by cvh » Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:34 pm

OK now i am getting confused ...

why are there different references to the amount of people on board?

Would the amount stated on the Flight Plan not be assumed as correct - I understand 2
Now - News 24 states - 5 (later info)

so how many are there on board?

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