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Re: Amusing Ground School "Mishaps"....

Unread post by Brand » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:33 pm

Well, if a guy cannot calculate an average... or do simple grade 5 inverse calculations.... or do not know what "select" means... And I have seen numerous examples....

But that's the easy part - it's the complete lack of any psychometric evaluation that scares me most. I person can become a CPL and in theory be a complete psychopath, or manic depressive, or suicidal at the same time. It's only much later that they might encounter psychometric evaluation. In my opinion there is too much focus on the physiology and not enough on the psychology. ...

Anyway - just an opinion.
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Unread post by ddevos » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:39 pm

Brand wrote:Anyway - just an opinion.
And a very valid one too...
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Unread post by erasmus » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:45 pm

Brand wrote:I can fill up another thread with all the stuff I have heard from parents, wives and girlfriends!

Once I had a mother rip into class, who then grabbed her son by the ear and marched him out.... :lol:

I believe it was followed by a discussion involving birth control (or the lack of it!), etc. :shock: :wink:
Brand, please start this new "family" thread, we can all do with some more light entertainment these days .... 8)
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Unread post by Brand » Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:25 pm

This one nearly drove me to tears....

A recent question from a 70 hour fixed wing PPL, attending CPL Flight Planning ground school:

"Sir - if an aircraft center of gravity is outside the envelope; am I allowed to change the weight?"
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Unread post by jimdavis » Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:26 pm

Brand wrote:This one nearly drove me to tears....

A recent question from a 70 hour fixed wing PPL, attending CPL Flight Planning ground school:

"Sir - if an aircraft center of gravity is outside the envelope; am I allowed to change the weight?"
Brand, I don't mind making a fool of myself, and I don't mind driving you to tears of joy or despair. :wink:

My guess it that if he reduced the weight (or perhaps increased it) he might move into the envelope. What am I missing? 8-[ 8-[ 8-[

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Unread post by hugo_visser » Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:18 am

I think these guys grow up in a academical word and not in a practical world because a practical guy will solve it without thinking. A friend of mine children is no 1 and 2 in academic at university ( really hard working and clever ) and he was floored when they asked him what is an allen-key.

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Unread post by Brand » Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:16 am

Something that scares me often - most PPL's (around 80%) I encounter on ground school has no real understanding of the effect of air density on aircraft performance and resulting weight implications... Something is amiss at ab - initio level...

Most people seem to think an aircraft is only overweight when it exceeds MAUW....
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Unread post by rudolphschar » Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:44 am

Many people have difficulty when things get too abstract. It might be because of the lower quality of maths education in our schools these days.
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Unread post by Brand » Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:32 am

Might be - though if you can avoid government schools (those not in the Cape.. :twisted: .) you can receive an excellent education in this country.
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Re: Amusing Ground School "Mishaps"....

Unread post by Brand » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:12 am

Some more recent "funnies"

From a Fixed wing CPL student

Our first session did not start well, since he was late while blaming the "stupid GPS" for it. But enough on that one....

He recently wrote CPL Radios and will again soon. imagine my surprise when he could not calculate a denominator (as in Distance to Go with the 1 in 60 Rule). Or that he thinks Pythagoras means you "MULTIPLY two equal sides, A squared with B squared, to get the length of the hypoteneuse"...

More questions I asked:
What is a GPS ground station? Answer: Never heard of it..
Is a VOR aircraft heading sensitive? Answer: Well, it uses the DI....
What is max deviation on an ILS localiser? Answer: 3.5 degrees
And on the ILS Glideslope? Answer: 3,5 degrees
Why do we intercept the Glide Slope from the bottom? Answer: We use Trigonomtery...
What distance from the transmitter may you receive the ILS localiser? Answer: 2 miles...
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Unread post by jimdavis » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:26 pm

That's WHY he needs you, Brand. :lol: :lol:

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Unread post by Brand » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:35 pm

Had this conversation recently with a 1600 hour fixed wing CPL, who flunked the ATPL Navigation exam…

Student: How do I calculate track and distance from point A to B?
Me: Well, you use the difference in, respectively longitudes and latitudes, to calculate the NM distance. Then you use basic trigonometry….
Student: Well, I’ll be darned….
Me: So what is the distance along a meridian, between two consecutive latitudes on the earth?
Student: What do you mean distance? It’s 60 minutes apart…
Me: Yes – but what NM distance does that represent?
Student: I told you – it’s 60 minutes…
Me: Well 60 minutes are equal to 60 NM….
Student: Since when?
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Unread post by phoebus7 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:34 am

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Ah so the circumference of the earth is 24 hours. :D
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Unread post by richard C » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:02 am

phoebus7 wrote:Gottit
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Ah so the circumference of the earth is 24 hours. :D
?? My watch must be fast.


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Unread post by Brand » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:59 pm

And this weekend - from a 600 hour chopper PPL writing the CPL Navigation exam for the third time:

"Do I need to use a square protractor in the exam?"
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