A22 missing (7 June 2018)

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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Rotor kop » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:40 am

kwest wrote:
Rotor kop wrote:Last cell signal shows about 6.5km out to sea east of lake sibaya??
And if you are standing on the beach the visual horizon is aprox 5 km !!!

One has to ask (if the cell ping is accurate) why anyone would venture so far offshore ?
2 reasons come to mind - Suicide and flying in cloud with a GPS that died?
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by jimdavis » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:49 am

Suiciders - if that's a word - often leave a note or a phone call. It that were the case, it would be a pity if those in the know allowed others to search needlessly. It has happened before.

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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by richard C » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:14 am

...or make a phone call.
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Iceberg » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:15 am

jimdavis wrote:Suiciders - if that's a word - often leave a note or a phone call. It that were the case, it would be a pity if those in the know allowed others to search needlessly. It has happened before.

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Reminds me of Daroish Kraidy that was lost at sea off the coast of New Zealand in 2014:

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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by jimdavis » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:16 am

Iceberg wrote:
jimdavis wrote:Suiciders - if that's a word - often leave a note or a phone call. It that were the case, it would be a pity if those in the know allowed others to search needlessly. It has happened before.

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Reminds me of Daroish Kraidy that was lost at sea off the coast of New Zealand in 2014:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=141092&p=1484383
Precisely my point.

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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by pcb » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:57 pm

Investigators must as far as possible establish the facts. As a general rule, insurance usually only pays out if the loss/damage was sudden, unforeseen or accidental. If a loss appears to be self inflicted there will always be issues.
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Dragon » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:18 pm

I haven't been following this thread very closely, so please forgive me for not dredging through all the pages, but if there was lots of cloud, I have known some very silly people, whose idea of a letdown, was to fly out to sea on GPS while descending until breaking cloud and then returning. One of the worst ideas I have ever heard of but yes, I have heard it, and I certainly hope it doesn't apply here.
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by MLyons » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:47 pm

Dragon wrote:I haven't been following this thread very closely, so please forgive me for not dredging through all the pages, but if there was lots of cloud, I have known some very silly people, whose idea of a letdown, was to fly out to sea on GPS while descending until breaking cloud and then returning. One of the worst ideas I have ever heard of but yes, I have heard it, and I certainly hope it doesn't apply here.
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by WagAero » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:53 pm

Sad that there is no news - was the PIC under some kind of stress - the comment about being off shore is alarming
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:22 pm

Dragon wrote:I haven't been following this thread very closely, so please forgive me for not dredging through all the pages, but if there was lots of cloud, I have known some very silly people, whose idea of a letdown, was to fly out to sea on GPS while descending until breaking cloud and then returning. One of the worst ideas I have ever heard of but yes, I have heard it, and I certainly hope it doesn't apply here.
From pictures during the flight he sent home it was clear skies.
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:33 pm

Ugly Duckling wrote:
Dragon wrote:I haven't been following this thread very closely, so please forgive me for not dredging through all the pages, but if there was lots of cloud, I have known some very silly people, whose idea of a letdown, was to fly out to sea on GPS while descending until breaking cloud and then returning. One of the worst ideas I have ever heard of but yes, I have heard it, and I certainly hope it doesn't apply here.
From pictures during the flight he sent home it was clear skies.

Surely if he sent pics home then fragile state of mind is not an option, personally I think some were a bit quick to shoot from the hip with that theory but anyways .......

Cant get my head around the fact that he sent pictures back from the same flight but yet the aircraft cannot be located. A foxbat does not cover distance that fast ( sorry to other A22 owners ). It does not make sense, must be obscured by vegetation or something. Man this is frustrating :cry:
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by CSFB » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:39 pm

This not good at all.
Can you see any ground images recognizable on the photos?
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by John.com » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:35 pm

Does anyone know if the pilot used AirNav Pro as either a primary or secondary navigation device?

Assuming within range of cellphone towers, AirNav Pro provides a minute-by-minute automatic (and free) flight-tracking service.

So, even if he had gone out of range of cellphone towers at some stage, at least one would roughly know the track that he took.

So maybe this is something for pilots, in general, to be aware of.

Out of interest, I use a Garmin 695 as a primary navigation device, but ALWAYS fire up AirNav Pro on my mobile phone for flight-tracking by a third party in event of an emergency.

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This is flight tracking on a flight around Harties, which shows the frequency of flight data recording:
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by AJW » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:47 pm

I heard that the pilot was a photographer?

If so, it might be possible that he was taking photos of whales as they have arrived along out coast recently. If one concentrate on them, you can end up quite far off shore. Low altitude, slow and circling it could easily end up in disaster.

Just a thought.
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Rotor kop » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:04 pm

AJW wrote:I heard that the pilot was a photographer?

If so, it might be possible that he was taking photos of whales as they have arrived along out coast recently. If one concentrate on them, you can end up quite far off shore. Low altitude, slow and circling it could easily end up in disaster.

Just a thought.
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