A22 missing (7 June 2018)

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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by jimdavis » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:01 pm

BigglesSA wrote:
flatprop wrote:When whale watching you have to be on your toes not to let the airspeed bleed off too much during turning maneuvers. At 60mph the slipstream noise is very low and if you are not monitoring your ASI you can land up too slow without hearing the change in speed.
Thinking of the very experienced bush pilot spinning in with his Cub (think it was) in Alaska while whale watching.
One of my instructors and his pupil at 43 did exactly this while circling a whale in a strong wind. It's extremely dangerous circling a fixed surface object while flying in a fast moving medium.

Sorry about preaching - I am sure we all know that - but I guess reminders can't do any harm.

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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Bugs » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:03 pm

Was there not a red Foxbat that spun in here recently in Port Elizabeth area while doing game capture or Rhino anti-poaching. Also low speed, landed in trees, aircraft written off, but occupants were OK.
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Induna » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:35 pm

Reading these recent posts and threads made me sad that some guys could have survived if found earlier. That's why I invested in a satellite tracker, whether helpful or not, but it would give me some peace of mind.
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by pietmeyer » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:04 am

So sad. More than a week and still nothing?
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Backmarker » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:13 am

This is terrible. My thoughts are with the family and friends. Not knowing is torturous.
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Christopher » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:33 pm

The pilot has been named -- someone from Newcastle mentioned him, I think -- but what about his physical condition/age/health? These are important points, surely? Anything is possible...obviously I mean that perhaps he was overcome by some ailment or condition...
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by FlyingArrow » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:20 pm

Any news yet..... :shock:
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Raffles » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:41 am

Like I said earlier, it will be like looking for a needle in a haystack depending on the circumstances of the disappearance and the area.

The Jetranger that went missing in the Cape was only found years later by chance.

The Seneca piloted by Keith Page was found by chance 6 months later.

Steve Fossett's remains were found a year after disappearing.

Of course, I am hoping he might be found alive, even this has happened before, the FH227 in the Andes being one example.
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by jimdavis » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:14 am

Remember Dorish Kraidy who disappeared off NZ.? I believe there is good reason to suspect the same here.

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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by ASH26V » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:22 pm

Jim excuse my ignorance. I tried finding the Kraidy incedent on Google... Nothing. Give us some info
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Unread post by richard C » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:31 pm

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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by jimdavis » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:34 pm

Thanks Richard! :D

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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Mike Wissing » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:15 am

I think you Avcommers who have been around for a while know me, and know my feelings about ELT/ePIRBS/ PLBs.
I cannot believe people don't fly with them and are still debating their merits.
When we launch looking for a person or airplane, if there is a signal and a general area I can find them inside of an hour of being in that area, and have a National Guard chopper enroute.
If there is no beacon, we have spent 30+ DAYS looking, and often don't find them. They are found by luck, normally dead.
As you add and design more safety into your flight, like a flight plan,emergency vest (note I said vest, not kit), and have some sort of 121.5 (who anyone with an aircraft band radio can search for, on the ground or in the air)/406 beacon enhances ones chances of being found.
I'm not preaching, I'm just saddened that this has gone on so long with no resolution. Could have been different....
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Spice » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:46 pm

Mike Wissing wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:15 am
I think you Avcommers who have been around for a while know me, and know my feelings about ELT/ePIRBS/ PLBs.
I cannot believe people don't fly with them and are still debating their merits.

I'm not preaching, I'm just saddened that this has gone on so long with no resolution. Could have been different....
It has been my sentiment as well, this matter has been debated time after time on Avcom. Human nature I suppose that we debate pro/con etc, till the day we are in a situation where you really need to be located following an incident/accident, then it may be to late.

Tasked to do a night Search and Rescue mission (over the dark ocean > 100nm offshore) a couple of weeks ago, first question I asked: Any EPIRB/PLB or ELT? Unfortuately not. It makes for a challenging mission, as the last time they had comms was at 16h00L and it was not until 01h45 that we were launched. Compounding the problem was, no route information, other than two waypoints. Spent a couple of hours searching, after landing to refuel, we were ionformed that the craft was found - lucky outcome for those involved.
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Re: A22 missing (7 June 2018)

Unread post by Induna » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:08 pm

Spice wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:46 pm
Mike Wissing wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:15 am
I think you Avcommers who have been around for a while know me, and know my feelings about ELT/ePIRBS/ PLBs.
I cannot believe people don't fly with them and are still debating their merits.

I'm not preaching, I'm just saddened that this has gone on so long with no resolution. Could have been different....
It has been my sentiment as well, this matter has been debated time after time on Avcom. Human nature I suppose that we debate pro/con etc, till the day we are in a situation where you really need to be located following an incident/accident, then it may be to late.

Tasked to do a night Search and Rescue mission (over the dark ocean > 100nm offshore) a couple of weeks ago, first question I asked: Any EPIRB/PLB or ELT? Unfortuately not. It makes for a challenging mission, as the last time they had comms was at 16h00L and it was not until 01h45 that we were launched. Compounding the problem was, no route information, other than two waypoints. Spent a couple of hours searching, after landing to refuel, we were ionformed that the craft was found - lucky outcome for those involved.
Exactly why i invested in a PLB just last week. I was concerned by the recent events of people gone missing that probably could have survived if they had some kind of tracking device.
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