Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

Unread post by Jasondn78 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:51 pm

Has there been any news from Australia regarding the crew? I was hoping that by now we would have heard something positive about their condition and that they were making progress with their recovery.
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

Unread post by moosp » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:31 pm

I have visited one of the pilots twice now in Sydney, the previous time in late November 2018. The family prefer that I not name him.

He is in what is termed a persistent vegetative state. He has shown some signs of motor reaction to physiotherapy such as small finger movements. His involuntary systems function so he can breathe without assistance, swallow and cough. His eyes open but do not follow movement.

I will leave it to you to google the prognosis in cases like this. His family are amazing in their dedication and fortitude.
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

Unread post by BigglesSA » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:26 am

Thanks Moose

I looked it up and looks gloom :(
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:34 am

Very sad. Must be something like Shumacher's situation. And you can't legally end it?
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

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moosp wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:31 pm
I have visited one of the pilots twice now in Sydney, the previous time in late November 2018. The family prefer that I not name him.

He is in what is termed a persistent vegetative state. He has shown some signs of motor reaction to physiotherapy such as small finger movements. His involuntary systems function so he can breathe without assistance, swallow and cough. His eyes open but do not follow movement.

I will leave it to you to google the prognosis in cases like this. His family are amazing in their dedication and fortitude.
Thanks for the update. It's a pity it is sad news. This must be very hard on family and friends. Are both pilots in a similar situation?
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

Unread post by moosp » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:42 am

I have not visited the other but I have heard that he is in a moderately better condition and can communicate. The authorities these days call the injuries "life changing."

He has no recollection of the accident, which I understand is common in these cases.
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

Unread post by cage » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:21 am

moosp wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:42 am
I have not visited the other but I have heard that he is in a moderately better condition and can communicate. The authorities these days call the injuries "life changing."

He has no recollection of the accident, which I understand is common in these cases.
slightly off topic, wrt to life-changing.
The BBC are airing a feature in the UK on the 1989 Kegworth crash and the effects on those involved.
Here is an article that sheds some light on what people caught up in these accidents go through.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-46620393
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

Unread post by apollo11 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:17 am

Too awful, and life-changing for friends and family, often leading to bankruptcy, I know people that had similar and literally from pretty well off to struggling to make ends meet, medical costs just suck money like a black hole, and it's just amazing how people will sacrifice almost everything to help...

What perplexes me is how often this sort of thing happens, (perhaps not that often but seemingly appears so) in that pilots, in particular, will fly thousands of hours in all sorts of environments, with potential for disaster forever waiting, there, not now but 20 years hence, and it's when they are engaging in an almost dream flight or something similar like the final homebuilt project or that around the world flight etc..or a fun flight, they come to grief, a lifetime of safe responsible flying comes to a drastic end, that lifetime of responsible safe flying ended in that next hour, minute or seconds with unexplained actions than any other time over the years over and over again would have resulted in an abort or no go or alternative action, but on that next hour it does not, with massive consequences to a well-lived life... WTF!

And the sad thing is it's the folk that it really should not to all intents and purposes be happening too! But it does.

Then one looks at a guy like Schumacher, racing unbelievably risky races hundred of times and gets medically incapacitated by a darn ski accident.
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

Unread post by ddevos » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:53 am

apollo11 wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:17 am
Then one looks at a guy like Schumacher, racing unbelievably risky races hundred of times and gets medically incapacitated by a darn ski accident.
What makes his accident even more sad is because he apparently tried to assist someone else who was in trouble.
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

Unread post by richard C » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:29 am

A very sad outcome.
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom - 10 July 2018

Unread post by Old, Fat and Hairy » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:58 pm

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OFandH - is it on the Dak's QRH to select Auto-Rich on the good engine?
Can't remember. Not enough power to maintain altitude on one at 3000' in auto lean, even without a load. No probs in auto rich so I'm guessing it would be a good idea to do so.
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom - 10 July 2018

Unread post by Airwayfreak » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:06 am

Old, Fat and Hairy wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:58 pm
happyskipper wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:12 pm
OFandH - is it on the Dak's QRH to select Auto-Rich on the good engine?
Can't remember. Not enough power to maintain altitude on one at 3000' in auto lean, even without a load. No probs in auto rich so I'm guessing it would be a good idea to do so.
Just saw this now. Yes auto rich selected on the good engine.

ENGINE FIRE OR FAILURE

DURING TAKEOFF/ INITIAL CLIMB
PF MIXTURE CONTROLS ...................... AUTO RICH
PF PROPELLER CONTROLS ................. FULL FORWARD
PF THROTTLES ............................................... 48 IMP
PF FLAPS ................................................................ UP
PF LANDING GEAR ............................................... UP
PF AFFECTED ENGINE ............................. IDENTIFY
PF AFFECTED ENGINE ................................. VERIFY
PF AFFECTED ENGINE ............................. FEATHER
PF MIXTURE CONTROL (AFF. ENGINE) ............ ICO

IF FIRE EXISTS:
F COWL FLAPS .......................................... CLOSED
PNF FIREWALL SHUT OFF (AFF. ENGINE) ......... OFF
PNF ENGINE FIRE BOTTLE ... SELECT AFF. ENGINE
PNF FIRE BOTTLE T HANDLE ............................ PULL

CLEANUP ITEMS:
PNF IGNITION SWITCH (AFF. ENGINE) ............... OFF
PNF GENERATOR (AFF. ENGINE) ....................... OFF
PNF BOOST PUMP (AFF. ENGINE) ...................... OFF
PNF COWL FLAPS (AFF. ENGINE) ...... CLOSED/ OFF
PNF COWL FLAPS (OPERATIVE ENGINE) . AS REQD
PNF FUEL TANK SELECTOR (AFF. ENGINE) ...... OFF
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Wed May 15, 2019 7:16 am

Any news on the progress of the crew :?:
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

Unread post by moosp » Wed May 15, 2019 7:13 pm

On 24th April I visited the hospital west of Sydney where the right seat pilot is a patient.

He moved slightly more that on the previous (see above) visit and his arm and leg show some reflexive action. There is some indication of a degree of consciousness in the movement, and his eyes now move around the room but do not appear to register what they see. It is not clear whether he has any sense of what is going on around him, but it is possible.

On the scale that is used in these cases he was brought into the brain injury unit with a score out of 120 of 18. His recent score is now 50 something, which shows that there has a been an improvement at the neurological level. Looking at him he has improved a little, but there is no way on knowing how far he will improve.

I did not meet the left seat pilot but he is apparently at home sitting in a wheel chair and having conversations but I understand he has sight problems.
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Re: Convair Radial Crash at Wonderboom (10 July 2018)

Unread post by dollar » Wed May 15, 2019 7:57 pm

What to say. Here by the Grace of God go I. There are many. Motor car accidents, motorcycles, pilots. When all is said and done these guys have to keep going. Easily forgotten .........?
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