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Lion Air 737 MAX crashed

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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:59 am

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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

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Brand new aircraft. Only delivered August 2018
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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by GRAHAMW » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:23 am



Here is also a live blog with news of crash:

https://indianexpress.com/article/world ... d-5422763/
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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by RenierS » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:36 am

Flightradar24 data from JT 610:
https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/flig ... xI6Cuik1kk

Last minute of data:
Final-minute-JT610-Altitude-Speed-Vspeed-Graph.jpg
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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by Iceberg » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:46 am

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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by Sanddweller » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:54 am

reports that it had unreliable airspeed issues yesterday..
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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by Iceberg » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:01 am

Sanddweller wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:54 am
reports that it had unreliable airspeed issues yesterday..
The flightradar trace shows it fairly constant at about 320kts, then increasing as it went down.
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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by DonC » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:03 am

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Plane was authorised to return to base before it crashed

Yohanes Sirait, a spokesperson for air navigation authorities, said the aircraft had requested to return to base shortly after its departure.

"The control allowed that, but then it lost contact," he said.

That was 13 minutes after takeoff.
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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by jimdavis » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:42 am

Doesn't that massive spike in vertical speed looks like a stall?

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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by Whirly » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:44 am

jimdavis wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:42 am
Doesn't that massive spike in vertical speed looks like a stall?

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It does to me, but I am no expert. Air France accident all over again (different manufacturer however)? :?

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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by HJK 414 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:49 am

Whirly wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:44 am
jimdavis wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:42 am
Doesn't that massive spike in vertical speed looks like a stall?

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It does to me, but I am no expert. Air France accident all over again (different manufacturer however)? :?

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This one would have been in daylight (sunrise 5.20 or so at this time of year over there)....
I wonder what type of 737 the Pilots gained their hours on - and what differences in Flight / data display the 737-800 Max has.
Are we looking at a misinterpretation of flight info due to low hours on type - with all the consequences of such ?

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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by happyskipper » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:53 am

jimdavis wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:42 am
Doesn't that massive spike in vertical speed looks like a stall?

jim
Jim - I don't think that FR24's data is accurate enough to come to that conclusion - there does appear to be a corresponding leveling out during that time.....but no increase in altitude.
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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:57 am

"It had a snag with airspeed yesterday". VFR weather today. Still at 5000' after 13 minutes. 320 knts. Strange one here. Would a decompression show a spike like that in the VSI.?
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Re: Lion Air 737-800 crashed

Unread post by SimplyFly » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:51 am

jimdavis wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:42 am
Doesn't that massive spike in vertical speed looks like a stall?

jim
From memory, AF447 went down from FL400 to GND in about 4 minutes with full thrust. That's 10 kft/min. If the ADS-B tace is worth anything, this is several times faster.

It makes one think of a breakup, or nose down with a control system problem. Just me guessing.

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