Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by abezzi » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:54 am

Zulu01 wrote:
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The press say the pilot took 3 attempts to take off ??
Witnesses reported that the pilot had to try 3 times before the engine started, of course the press teported as 3 try before take off...
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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by Peterstuyvesant » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:56 am

The search has been called off:

https://twitter.com/GuernseyPolice/stat ... 04/photo/1

"Unless there is a significant development, there will be no further updates"
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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by Insane » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:15 am

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I suspect this might be another case of mission fixation. An important passenger who just has to get there!

I would always ask myself - would I do this flight if if I wasn't trying to please someone?

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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by rb » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:40 pm

Insane wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:15 am
jimdavis wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:04 pm
I suspect this might be another case of mission fixation. An important passenger who just has to get there!

I would always ask myself - would I do this flight if if I wasn't trying to please someone?

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I find it strange that an asset of this value would be allowed to cross the ocean in a piston single at any time, never mind at night! Surely cost would not have been an issue and an appropriate aircraft and crew could have been hired?
Agreed and wonder what the insurance implications are R465 bar just for the player and who knows how much per week to play ...gone ...very sad
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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:54 pm

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Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:15 am
I find it strange that an asset of this value would be allowed to cross the ocean in a piston single at any time, never mind at night! Surely cost would not have been an issue and an appropriate aircraft and crew could have been hired?
He paid for his own charter. How the club allowed him to do so is also questionable.
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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by Insane » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:27 pm

Ugly Duckling wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:54 pm
Insane wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:15 am
I find it strange that an asset of this value would be allowed to cross the ocean in a piston single at any time, never mind at night! Surely cost would not have been an issue and an appropriate aircraft and crew could have been hired?
He paid for his own charter. How the club allowed him to do so is also questionable.
Agreed, I also wonder if his personal or Club insurance would not have set conditions for travel by air?
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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by Aerodon » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:07 pm

Insane wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:27 pm
Ugly Duckling wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:54 pm
Insane wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:15 am
I find it strange that an asset of this value would be allowed to cross the ocean in a piston single at any time, never mind at night! Surely cost would not have been an issue and an appropriate aircraft and crew could have been hired?
He paid for his own charter. How the club allowed him to do so is also questionable.
Agreed, I also wonder if his personal or Club insurance would not have set conditions for travel by air?
More than likely. Seems like a convoluted connection between the agent and owner of the aircraft and then what amounts to a 'private charter'. Sounds like the Club offered to pay for a commercial flight but was told a charter had been arranged. I doubt the Club or Sala had any idea whether the 'charter' was a Citation or Malibu.

Once again, it's going to get messy. I was just reading on another site about a business owner who killed himself and his employee in a VFR into IFR conditions. His estate got locked for 5 years before his widow got a small amount back. And a new lawsuit from a girlfriend and son against the FAA for 'not warning' a pilot of high ground ahead. Pilot was known to fly IFR without a rating, was solid IFR on this flight, was told to maintain VFR and yet flew himself into a mountain.

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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by jimdavis » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:14 pm

Sounds like a PPL, with no instrument rating, who dropped the aircraft when landing, then didn't get the start sequence right, and was planning to set off across the water at night into crap weather in a piston single.

Would YOU happily have sat in the back?

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Unread post by jimdavis » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:15 pm

Poor pax didn't know any better.

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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by ticky » Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:31 pm

Could be another Malibu in flight break up due to weather/turbulence.
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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by Zulu01 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:16 pm

abezzi wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:54 am
Zulu01 wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:12 am
The press say the pilot took 3 attempts to take off ??
Witnesses reported that the pilot had to try 3 times before the engine started, of course the press teported as 3 try before take off...
Thanks for the correction. That’s very different.
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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by dr727 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:10 am

N- registered, flying between France and England with a pilot who is the holder of a British license pilot license, hmm. Wonder about legalities and can hardy believe that this flight even took place. Passenger and his family and friends badly let down (no pun intended)
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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by Christopher » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:04 pm

And how about this from former girlfriend:

<Victoria's Secret model Berenice Schkair..."For me this is all very strange. A plane can't disappear just like that"...>

Obviously she never heard about the missing Malaysian flight...this whole thing stinks, doesn't it? Scheduled flight or (turbine) charter would seem to have been more appropriate?
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Re: Piper Malibu, which went missing off Alderney in the Channel Islands had footballer Emiliano Sala on board

Unread post by southside » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:10 pm

Are the laws there the same as here in terms of part 135 SE Piston at night being illegal?
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Unread post by cage » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:56 pm

southside wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:10 pm
Are the laws there the same as here in terms of part 135 SE Piston at night being illegal?
The aircraft was an N reg, so I take it that yank rules apply.
From the sound of things there was no cost for the flight so if it was conducted as a part 91 flight would any rules apply anyway?
Having a rusty DJ/part time pilot doing the flying wasn't going to end well.

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