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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by southside » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:08 pm

Seems like the worldwide grounding is warranted. To me this screams DC-10 all over again. A problem that should have been fixed but was not, resulting in the Turkish crash out of Paris
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Unread post by 34south » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:18 pm

Which all begs the question;

is this a REALLY GOOD time to buy Boeing shares, or not!? :roll:
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Bearcat » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:38 pm

34south wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:18 pm
Which all begs the question;

is this a REALLY GOOD time to buy Boeing shares, or not!? :roll:
Interesting question .. my view is that they are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better .. this is big :)
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by southside » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:28 pm

The obvious answer is no
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Unread post by southside » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:30 pm

Do any of you think that this could sink Boeing? I am sure evanb will have valuable input
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by jimdavis » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:37 pm

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Do any of you think that this could sink Boeing? I am sure evanb will have valuable input
One really hopes not - for a number of reasons. But mainly because Airbus, or anyone else, having a virtual monopoly would be a disaster.

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Unread post by Christo » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:42 pm

And now reports the US government dropped their tankers order due to shoddy quality control. :shock:

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/03/14/po ... ing-plane/
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Unread post by mnmodels » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:23 pm

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Do any of you think that this could sink Boeing? I am sure evanb will have valuable input
Yes - the CEO will go first.

My reason, the world has change with fake news and trial by internet. Once a matter is solved, a new one will pop up.

Over 5000 max on order. This is what drove the share price to record high. But it is all build on speedy certification without proper testing. Then the fact that Boeing hide the system so the orders could come in as the customers were told it is the same as 737...

House of cards will fall....

just my 2c, but i may be wrong..
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by apollo11 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:41 pm

I don't think that Boeing will collapse, the US government will probably extend some massive bailout if required? Trump may have issued a directive to expedite the grounding but being an all American guy trying to bring jobs back into the US I doubt his administration will watch or allow Boeing to collapse.

But they sure are going to get some heavy-handed body blows and head butts no doubt. Serious Glasgow kisses that will leave them reeling.

No doubt too strategic meetings are furiously happening to consider an alternative if this issue cannot be resolved, but the issue has to be resolved and darn quickly, and one wonders how many heads will roll for not taking more urgent action after the Indonesia accident.
Maybe orders will switch to the pre-MCAS versions...
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by southside » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:42 pm

I agree with Jim in that I hope it is not their downfall. Nontheles, this is a monumental stuff up for them
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by MadMacs » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:08 am

jimdavis wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:37 pm
southside wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:30 pm
Do any of you think that this could sink Boeing? I am sure evanb will have valuable input
One really hopes not - for a number of reasons. But mainly because Airbus, or anyone else, having a virtual monopoly would be a disaster.

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by MadMacs » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:26 am

Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 crash: Questions that remain unanswered https://www.rt.com/rtmobile/news/latest/453958/html/
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by whiskydelta » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:38 am

Interesting article by Guy Leitch at

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article ... le-safety/
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by GL » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:47 am

southside wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:30 pm
Do any of you think that this could sink Boeing? I am sure evanb will have valuable input
While a huge setback for Boeing - wiping U$ 25 billion off market cap - this too shall pass.
Boeing will shortly announce that they have identified the problem and mandate new AoA vanes or whatever and the world will move on.
And in all honesty, there are many who legitimately argue that Boeing has done nothing wrong with its MCAS system - it's just bad pilots who don't know how to isolate the stab trim. The Lion Air flight before the fatal one had this problem but the pilots caught it in time as did the other incidents reported to the NASA database. The uber pilots argue that it should not be a big deal.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by GL » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:49 am

Can a 737 pilot tell me how easy it is to reach the stab trim switches if your shoulders harness inertial reels have pulled tight, which they will have done in the real world, but not in the sim. And how do do you move the protecting bar below the switches to operate the switches. Can you do it with your forefinger while you flick the switches with your thumb?
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