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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by earthur » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:20 pm

Yes override to VFR conditions if the rest has gone pear shaped,i.e. override all systems get back to the basics,especially if visual.

Why is it so complicated.?
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by heisan » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:28 pm

skytrooper wrote:
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Over the years the one question that Always remain: why is there not a Simple override switch, overriding Everything when things go sideways, it's really a simple solution, yet one will hear pages of excuses why it "can't" be implemented. Absolute BS !
I was under the impression that there was very little computer interference in the 737-MAX. Just throw the trim cut-out switches, and it pretty much becomes a 172 (control-wise at least)?
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Burner » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:30 pm

earthur wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:20 pm
Yes override to VFR conditions if the rest has gone pear shaped,i.e. override all systems get back to the basics,especially if visual.

Why is it so complicated.?
I guess because that as humans, we all have different abilities and also differing flaws. The issue is the part about the crew being able to correctly identify, and in sufficient time, that either they are being given incorrect info, or one of the many complex systems on board the aircraft are not functioning as they should. I can't help but wonder in many of the recent airline accidents, if having a third set of qualified eyes in the jump seat, wouldn't have helped save the day.

The much discussed QF32 incident, is a good example where having extra eyes/bodies (in their case 3 extra sets of eyes), helped reduce the individual work load, and resulted in a successful out come.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:38 pm

This is even worse than the DC10 story. Incidents much more frequent. What does Kulula fly?
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Christo » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:41 pm

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by wingnutzster » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:42 pm

Imagine the pressure on the Ethiopian state investigation body, NTSB and Boeing to get this done and get it right, the following weeks are going to be interesting for sure. Hopefully we get accurate, timely updates on the forums, and that this isn't another investigation drawn out by litigation like the rudder actuator investigations on Boeing's 737's. If indeed MAX is found to be faulty imagine the repercussions and losses with nearly 400 delivered already on over 5000 ordered :shock: #-o
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by cage » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:53 pm

Airwayfreak wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:34 pm
howzitt wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:11 pm
cage wrote:
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200 hours as a FO. Is that right?
Forget about the 200 hour man.
We all had 200 hours as an F/O at some point
Naturally, they did make it sound like a 200-hour pilot which is how a lot of the public will see it.
It pays to have some professional review press releases.
As a 200-hour FO, is it normal to find yourself #2 on an aircraft like that flying internationally?

Will be interesting to see what part that gradient could have played.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by cage » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:55 pm

Christo wrote:
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Boeing issues safety warning.

https://www.wired.com/story/boeing-safe ... sedive/amp
I think you mean issued.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by 738 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:57 pm

Spoke Eagle wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:38 pm
This is even worse than the DC10 story. Incidents much more frequent. What does Kulula fly?
Kulula flies 737-800
BA a single 737-8 MAX
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:59 pm

Christo wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:41 pm
Boeing issues safety warning.

https://www.wired.com/story/boeing-safe ... sedive/amp
That was as a result of the Lion Air crash, no new bulletin relating to the Ethiopian crash, as yet
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by cage » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:02 pm

In this day and age why can't aircraft have realtime telemetry being streamed back to the mothership?
It sure would help avoid speculation and allow the manufacturer a rapid view of what may have transpired.
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Unread post by IKTAV » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:14 pm

Agreed Cage. They had it on the Shuttle so it shouldn’t be a big step to bring it to airline operations.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Gimble » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:17 pm

cage wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:02 pm
In this day and age why can't aircraft have realtime telemetry being streamed back to the mothership?
It sure would help avoid speculation and allow the manufacturer a rapid view of what may have transpired.
That day is not far away...

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by wingnutzster » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:21 pm

cage wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:02 pm
In this day and age why can't aircraft have realtime telemetry being streamed back to the mothership?
It sure would help avoid speculation and allow the manufacturer a rapid view of what may have transpired.
They implemented technology to track even the crew bowel movements in space on the Shuttle and others since the 60's you would think it would be a standard feature to track airliners but then consider the cost of implementing and carrying such a system in light of modern FDR and CVR technologies, I'm sure if they find the black box or even just the CVR they'll quickly identify a culprit
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by cage » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:25 pm

IKTAV wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:14 pm
Agreed Cage. They had it on the Shuttle so it shouldn’t be a big step to bring it to airline operations.
Given what these things cost, and the cost of it going wrong, it should be a no-brainer.

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