Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Nosewheel » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:34 pm

I am Flying ET 737Max on Saturday not feeling to good about getting in to it at this point to be honest
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Breytie » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:47 pm

wingnutzster wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:21 pm
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I'm sure if they find the black box or even just the CVR they'll quickly identify a culprit
That IF is the big one. We have had a few recent cases where planes went missing and was never found or the recorders were destroyed or in some way compromised. A satellite flight data transmitter for intercontinental or international flights would me a good start. Stream GPS data and a few basic parameters in normal mode and go fire-hose mode when certain parameters or combinations are exceeded. Integrated battery will ensure data is sent even if the plane loses electrical power. At least then it will be possible to find a wreck quickly.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by travelmanafrica » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:10 pm

My colleague flew on this plane to Addis today. He then transferred to another plane for his onward connection. They were due to take off 8 minutes after the flight that crashed. But were notified that their flight was delayed due to weather. They were a bit puzzled as the weather was blue and calm. They finally took off and only on landing did they hear of the crash. RIP
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by sabackflipper » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:39 pm

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/ethiopi ... 2242954742

This article says that there was an eye witness:

“The plane was already on fire when it crashed to the ground. The crash caused a big explosion,” Tegegn Dechasa recounted at the site, littered with passenger belongings, human remains, and airplane parts around a massive crater at the point of impact.

“I was near the river near the crash site. Shortly after the crash police and a fire crew from a nearby air force camp came and extinguished the plane’s flames on the ground,” Dechasa said.

“The plane was in flames in its rear side shortly before the crash. The plane was swerving erratically before the crash.”
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Golf Tango » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:19 pm

Could be an infernal device.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Fransw » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:29 pm

Nosewheel wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:34 pm
I am Flying ET 737Max on Saturday not feeling to good about getting in to it at this point to be honest
Eish! :?
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Bearcat » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:53 pm

Nosewheel wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:34 pm
I am Flying ET 737Max on Saturday not feeling to good about getting in to it at this point to be honest
Statistically you could reconcile with yourself that 99.99% of 737 Max flights end successfully :)
Emotionally .. Eish 8-[ 8-[ .. I would not be be keen to fly on one right now :)
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by GL » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:57 pm

sabackflipper wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:39 pm
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/ethiopi ... 2242954742

This article says that there was an eye witness:

“The plane was already on fire when it crashed to the ground. The crash caused a big explosion,” Tegegn Dechasa recounted at the site, littered with passenger belongings, human remains, and airplane parts around a massive crater at the point of impact.

“I was near the river near the crash site. Shortly after the crash police and a fire crew from a nearby air force camp came and extinguished the plane’s flames on the ground,” Dechasa said.

“The plane was in flames in its rear side shortly before the crash. The plane was swerving erratically before the crash.”
These eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable. I would attach no credence to that one at all.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:46 pm

I have been following the reports, this thread, twitter, prune etc all day.

"Personally" I am erring on the side that some other technical or interference took place, other than any similarities to the Lion Air crash late last year.
I qualify this, by saying that almost every B737 driver, and even some other non B737, airline pilots had, at the time discussed the Lion Air accident, over and over.
And the overriding impression in the discussion, was that should any anomaly of the computers, AoA sensors etc, start occuring, and that if the trim wheel were to even hint at rotating, the Stab Cut Out switches would be used immediately, thus overriding any "hidden MCAS" actions, making the MAX fly like a C172.

The Lion Air incident is still fresh in every B737's pilots discussion, (unless you were ignorant), and the corrective action is ingrained in every B737 pilots mind.

So my doubt is that this is not another MCAS event gone wrong
I might be wrong
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by HAAN » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:26 pm

Recieved unconfirmed information saying that the crew holding behing the plane that crashed heard them tell ATC after airborne they had unreliable airspeed and dificuilty controlling the aircraft.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:48 pm

HAAN wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:26 pm
Recieved unconfirmed information saying that the crew holding behing the plane that crashed heard them tell ATC after airborne they had unreliable airspeed and dificuilty controlling the aircraft.
hmmmmmm !!!

and that after all the discussions amongst B737 pilots, after the Lion Air crash
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:58 pm

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:28 am

Ret. If you take the stab trim out does it take the computer out or can it still TOGA the engines?

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