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Dont stall a DC-3 !

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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:47 am

That looks like a deliberate spin
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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by Daimler » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:04 am

Spoke Eagle wrote:
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That looks like a deliberate spin
I thought so too, but after seeing the end where the jumpers were caught a little unaware, not so sure.
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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by newbie » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:27 am

It does seem like they were sort of waiting for it, or it was just a coincidence that it happened at they time as they were preparing for the jump - wouldn't like to experience it either way :shock:
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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:27 am

Spoke Eagle wrote:
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That looks like a deliberate spin
I have to ask, how else would you enter a true spin other than through the stall ?

But I do agree with you that the spin was deliberate. Watch the video again and you will see that at approx 1/4 way through the first rotation the inputs are full pitch up, full left rudder and a decent amount of left roll. Clearly the air speed is low and the only time you are ever going to make those inputs at low airspeed is when you want to induce a tight spin. It is a real stupid idea when dispatching several skydivers.
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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by jimdavis » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:16 am

I very much doubt that a pilot could be that stupid as to deliberately spin while letting meat-bombs out.

I think it is much more likely that he was throttled way back and the airspeed was decreasing while he was looking back to see if everyone was out. The aircraft stalled (which is not a big deal ono a Dak). The pilot got a fright and rammed the throttles forward. One engine took and the other hesitated and that's all you need to start the spin.

It may have been aggravated by everyone rushing to the rear and the CofG being too far aft.

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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by Thermalator » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:38 am

The comments on youtube are worth reading
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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:52 am

Hi Jim. He had full up elevator and left rudder.
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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by jimdavis » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:00 am

Spoke Eagle wrote:
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Hi Jim. He had full up elevator and left rudder.
Thanks Spokers - yep I saw that.

I had a student spin a Twin Comanche on me because he was too quick with the power. As it went he also maintained full pro spin controls, I guess through panic!

If it was deliberate, it seems an incredibly stupid thing to do - I would imagine there was a good chance of chopping up his ex-pax.

It it was accidental, the guy needs more dual :D :D :D

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Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:33 am

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Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:38 am
The comments on youtube are worth reading
Thanks for pointing that out. I read the comments and still have the same opinion, if a Domestic Airline pilot with 10thou + hours grabs two for arms worth of aft pitch and kicks his feet in opposite directions when at the point of stall then only one thing is going to happen. A great big spin, the story about jumpers running to quickly aft is nonsense IMO and only an excuse made at the time the crew realized there was video footage and then as the one guy said, supposedly all of the footage was confiscated by the operations owner.

Lets give the PIC some credit here, that is one of the prettiest spins I have seen and when he wanted to straighten out and recover. Just look how impeccable the recovery was. :shock:
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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by jimdavis » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:41 am

Multirotordronepilot wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:33 am
Thermalator wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:38 am
The comments on youtube are worth reading
Thanks for pointing that out. I read the comments and still have the same opinion, if a Domestic Airline pilot with 10thou + hours grabs two for arms worth of aft pitch and kicks his feet in opposite directions when at the point of stall then only one thing is going to happen. A great big spin, the story about jumpers running to quickly aft is nonsense IMO and only an excuse made at the time the crew realized there was video footage and then as the one guy said, supposedly all of the footage was confiscated by the operations owner.

Lets give the PIC some credit here, that is one of the prettiest spins I have seen and when he wanted to straighten out and recover. Just look how impeccable the recovery was. :shock:
Give him credit?????? For endangering the lives of his ex-pax? for taking the aircraft past its certified limits? for possibly breaking the gyros? or for doing a pretty recovery?

It's like giving a burglar credit for the neat way he bunged a brick through the window. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:05 pm

jimdavis wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:41 am
Multirotordronepilot wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:33 am
Thermalator wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:38 am
The comments on youtube are worth reading
Thanks for pointing that out. I read the comments and still have the same opinion, if a Domestic Airline pilot with 10thou + hours grabs two for arms worth of aft pitch and kicks his feet in opposite directions when at the point of stall then only one thing is going to happen. A great big spin, the story about jumpers running to quickly aft is nonsense IMO and only an excuse made at the time the crew realized there was video footage and then as the one guy said, supposedly all of the footage was confiscated by the operations owner.

Lets give the PIC some credit here, that is one of the prettiest spins I have seen and when he wanted to straighten out and recover. Just look how impeccable the recovery was. :shock:
Give him credit?????? For endangering the lives of his ex-pax? for taking the aircraft past its certified limits? for possibly breaking the gyros? or for doing a pretty recovery?

It's like giving a burglar credit for the neat way he bunged a brick through the window. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by StressMerchant » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:26 pm

The Dak is prone to tip stall, and easily drops a wing in the stall. Stall point is usually about mid-way along the aileron.

I don't think any transport category aircraft is design or rated for spins, so deliberately spinning one is asking for trouble. I know some pilots spun Daks, and some did live to tell the tale. Certainly the ones I did get to speak to were not keen to ever repeat the experience.

I'd suggest that anyone who deliberately stalls a Dak, other than training or testing, is being irresponsible. (OK, maybe an exception for a 3 point landing, but even that is something that is not always a good idea in this aircraft).

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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:00 pm

StressMerchant wrote:
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Dak pilots on this forum, care to give your opinion?
Bring back Darrel ............

Look the evidence is there in the video
1. He intended to stall the aircraft then initiate a spin
2. The stall was a completely unplanned event and the PIC then followed with control inputs at max rate in completely the wrong directions

My interest in this is within those few seconds of that event, regardless of how snappy the DC3 is or was at low speed.
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Re: Dont stall a DC-3 !

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:05 pm

StressMerchant wrote:
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Dak pilots on this forum, care to give your opinion?
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