B206 down in the Hudson River

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B206 down in the Hudson River

Unread post by jus » Thu May 16, 2019 4:37 pm

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No fatalities. Video here: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/15/1862 ... -york-city

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Re: B206 down in the Hudson River

Unread post by GL » Thu May 16, 2019 5:05 pm

Tail rotor failure?
Those floats seem to explosively inflate like air bags?
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Re: B206 down in the Hudson River

Unread post by Arch » Thu May 16, 2019 7:03 pm

GL wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 5:05 pm
Tail rotor failure?
Those floats seem to explosively inflate like air bags?
Floats pop quickly. Rotation too slow for tr failure, more like tail rotor loss of authority due to slow right hand turn, exacerbated by stiff breeze which possibly blew the rotor downwash into the tail, further aggravating it. Reckon the pilot ran out of talent and the chat with the boss is going to be awkward, slow right turns in a 206 are known to bite
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Re: B206 down in the Hudson River

Unread post by allanroy » Thu May 16, 2019 8:31 pm

Terrifying video shows a helicopter spiraling out of control before crashing into the Hudson River. Thankfully, the pilot survived. https://7ny.tv/2Hu8iMd

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Re: B206 down in the Hudson River

Unread post by jimdavis » Thu May 16, 2019 9:35 pm

Arch wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 7:03 pm
GL wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 5:05 pm
Tail rotor failure?
Those floats seem to explosively inflate like air bags?
Floats pop quickly. Rotation too slow for tr failure, more like tail rotor loss of authority due to slow right hand turn, exacerbated by stiff breeze which possibly blew the rotor downwash into the tail, further aggravating it. Reckon the pilot ran out of talent and the chat with the boss is going to be awkward, slow right turns in a 206 are known to bite
That post just reminds me why I don't trust helicopters. Imagine trying to certify a fixed wing that didn't like slow right hand turns :shock:

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Re: B206 down in the Hudson River

Unread post by Captain Gyro » Thu May 16, 2019 10:57 pm

Despite flying gyros which I trust due to their simplicity, I also don’t trust helicopters. Too much to go wrong. Almost saw a R44 lose it with loss of tail rotor effectiveness at the Getaway Show in Somerset West a few years ago. Pilot was extremely lucky to catch it at the last moment preventing a huge tragedy. Was visibly shaken.

Flying with its associated risks is bad enough, and normally engine failure should be one’s main concern, but having to worry that your flying machine is going to suddenly lose control just because the wind changes direction slightly, and you have no yaw authority just doesn’t sit well with me.
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Re: B206 down in the Hudson River

Unread post by Choppaboy » Fri May 17, 2019 12:03 am

Captain Gyro wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 10:57 pm
Despite flying gyros which I trust due to their simplicity, I also don’t trust helicopters. Too much to go wrong. Almost saw a R44 lose it with loss of tail rotor effectiveness at the Getaway Show in Somerset West a few years ago. Pilot was extremely lucky to catch it at the last moment preventing a huge tragedy. Was visibly shaken.

Flying with its associated risks is bad enough, and normally engine failure should be one’s main concern, but having to worry that your flying machine is going to suddenly lose control just because the wind changes direction slightly, and you have no yaw authority just doesn’t sit well with me.
I hear what you say , lots of variables and threats than can change the intended flight outcome quickly with helicopters. However, no problem when one flies these mechanical mice within their envelopes , exactly the same as with your aircraft . Just have to focus a tad more during high alert times , just like with any aircraft at certain times of flight phase , being aware of the possible threats that could come into play and being ready to counter them at the onset already.. and thus ideally preventing mishaps. It’s all in an envelopes work:) :)
Unfortunately , as it seems judging by the footage, there was not sufficient height for the pilot to recover in this case where the helicopter appears to have been flown into a state of flight outside it’s design manoeuvre envelope :shock:
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Re: B206 down in the Hudson River

Unread post by jus » Sun May 19, 2019 9:39 am

I found this short video to be very instructive regarding the forms and causes of LTE...

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Re: B206 down in the Hudson River

Unread post by homebuilt » Sun May 19, 2019 11:41 am

Not a chopper pilot but for those in the know, how would a pilot / is it still possible for a pilot, if this should happen to him, to get out of the situation before loss of control is experienced or is there no alternative to taking a swim?
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Re: B206 down in the Hudson River

Unread post by Christo » Sun May 19, 2019 2:03 pm

I would imagine you drop the collective to minimize torque would be one thing but then you need height to be able to do so.
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