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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by tansg » Sun May 19, 2019 9:34 am

jimdavis wrote:
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It was an Aerodrome Ground Lighting (AGL i.e. Papis) calibration on 30L which is the runway under rehabilitation so no other traffic on that runway so Wake Turbulence unlikely.
How far is it from 30R? Wake turbulence spreads out, and it can drift in a light wind.

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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by Ray W » Sun May 19, 2019 2:44 pm

Do we know who the crew were yet ?
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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by Tallies » Sun May 19, 2019 2:55 pm

MemyselfandI wrote:
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I'm sure he means 30.
I did indeed. Post edited to comply.
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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by MemyselfandI » Sun May 19, 2019 4:36 pm

I only know the pilots name so far , David Phillips.
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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by Beacon1 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:33 pm

With the construction going on at OMDB at the moment, it is in the NOTAMS that under fair weather conditions (can't remember them all off the top of my head) that they are conducting trial periods of reduced wake separation (obviously still at a safe legal distance), with that muggy air and a slight breeze that wake turbulence could hang around a bit longer than predicted). We encountered the aircraft ahead of ours wake the other night on approach, at 5.5NM. Heavy to heavy. From what has been reported I would suspect that wake turbulence may have played a role.

*edit just saw it was for 30L, that may make it unlikely then!
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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by Dragon » Sun May 19, 2019 8:00 pm

tansg wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 6:15 am
Speculation is a bit off. Was not an ILS calibration. It was an Aerodrome Ground Lighting (AGL i.e. Papis) calibration on 30L which is the runway under rehabilitation so no other traffic on that runway so Wake Turbulence unlikely.
People tend to only think of it in the context of a runway. Sometimes even a 737 gets a quick jolt in the TMA from crossing wake perpendicularly. You can find it in the most unexpected places. Can one be sure there was no one remotely near in the previous 5+ mins
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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by GRAHAMW » Sun May 19, 2019 8:10 pm

MemyselfandI wrote:
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I only know the pilots name so far , David Phillips.
Friends of ours stepson, Fritz Venter was also a pilot on the plane.
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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by Aquila » Thu May 23, 2019 6:26 pm

Beacon1 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 5:33 pm
With the construction going on at OMDB at the moment, it is in the NOTAMS that under fair weather conditions (can't remember them all off the top of my head) that they are conducting trial periods of reduced wake separation (obviously still at a safe legal distance), with that muggy air and a slight breeze that wake turbulence could hang around a bit longer than predicted). We encountered the aircraft ahead of ours wake the other night on approach, at 5.5NM. Heavy to heavy. From what has been reported I would suspect that wake turbulence may have played a role.

*edit just saw it was for 30L, that may make it unlikely then!
I’m not seeing that NOTAM as current right now, from what I recall there is usually a NOTAM active that indicates there are reduced wake trial separation in place between EK aircraft only. However I couldn’t find it active when I checked OMDB’s NOTAMs today...
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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by GRAHAMW » Thu May 23, 2019 7:05 pm

Honeywell employee killed in Dubai plane crash is named

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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by GRAHAMW » Tue May 28, 2019 8:32 am

A plane that crashed near Dubai's International Airport, killing four people, may have been hit by turbulence from the wake of another aircraft, an initial report has said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-48421477
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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by Iceberg » Tue May 28, 2019 8:36 am

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A plane that crashed near Dubai's International Airport, killing four people, may have been hit by turbulence from the wake of another aircraft, an initial report has said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-48421477
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Re: Diamond down Dubai

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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by snoopy » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:03 pm

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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:14 am

Typo :shock:
It had been carrying out an approach to runway 30L which runs parallel to 30R.

The two runways are separated by just 380m although the threshold of 30R is displaced some 1,900m beyond of that of 30R.
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Re: Diamond down Dubai

Unread post by jimdavis » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:09 pm

Ugly Duckling wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:14 am
Typo :shock:
It had been carrying out an approach to runway 30L which runs parallel to 30R.

The two runways are separated by just 380m although the threshold of 30R is displaced some 1,900m beyond of that of 30R.
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