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Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:01 am

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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by jimdavis » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:48 am

Yikes - that aircraft looked seriously heavy. :shock:

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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by V5 - LEO » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:12 am

....well that pilot was all over the place and turned "downwind" - hard to determine as his takeoff varied through 90 degrees. Agree looks heavy and heavy on the stick as well.
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Unread post by Tim » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:21 am

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Unread post by Mrb13676 » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:39 am

Another A5 crash? :shock:
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Wingnutter » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:32 am

I noticed the Icon stand was a very low key affair at Oshkosh this year - a far cry from the ostentatious displays they have had in the past.

Looks like turbulence, wind gradient and poor piloting skills all played a factor here.
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Christo » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:37 am

Wasn't the last one due to water accumulated in the fuselage. This one looks very similar to that.
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by jimdavis » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:22 am

Christo wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:37 am
Wasn't the last one due to water accumulated in the fuselage. This one looks very similar to that.
It may have been, Christo, but hell this pilot should have realised the thing wasn't performing long before he got off the water.

Besides, I would imagine that checking for water in the fuselage is part of a normal preflight.

So far it seems that every single one of the Icon crashes has been caused by poor piloting. I feel very sorry for the company. It seems as if this 'toy' aeroplane attracts a bunch of 'toy' pilots.

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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by heisan » Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:35 pm

They recently celebrated their 110th airframe sold. I would not be surprised if 15 of those are already written off...
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Orthin Opter » Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:41 pm

jimdavis wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:22 am
It may have been, Christo, but hell this pilot should have realised the thing wasn't performing long before he got off the water.

Besides, I would imagine that checking for water in the fuselage is part of a normal preflight.
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Jean Crous » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:41 pm

Did the pilot survive the crash ?
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Deanw » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:52 pm

Jean Crous wrote:
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Did the pilot survive the crash ?
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by Bearcat » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:42 pm

That water looks a bit choppy
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by richard C » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:36 am

Are there bulkheads that would impede the flow of water towards the tail on take-off ?

Some sub-standard flying there - seems like the jet-skiing fraternity are having difficulty adjusting to the addition of wings to their toys.
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Re: Icon A5 crash

Unread post by savas » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:31 pm

That pilot needs to go back to Flying School

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