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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by Wingnutter » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:42 pm

From EWN:

“Simon Manda from U Dream Global said Werner and Froneman were an adult team supporting the young pilots.

“Unfortunately, their plane didn’t get to Cairo, it went to Addis Ababa and it was grounded. The teenagers then continued from Addis Ababa all the way to Cairo by themselves,” he said.”

Why was the aircraft grounded in Addis? And why did the aircraft divert to Tabora?
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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by savas » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:22 pm

this is terrible.
ZU TAF, belongs to the manufacturers I assume, so they might be able to issue a good and prompt "press release"
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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by Dragon » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:20 pm

That looks like a decent field they ended up on. My money is that it’s not by luck. I suspect it’s a forced or even precautionary landing gone awry. They had just set off so were very heavy with fuel. They had previously had issues I think with fuel leaks, and with the engine. What a combination when you run out of luck. My money is on them having an engine problem, possibly it overheating or at worst on fire, and they put the aircraft down, possibly collapsing the gear in the process and thus leaking lots of fuel. Now the hot or fiery engine set the whole thing off, and they would not have stood a chance. A possible scenario - there are others. I knew Des well and he was an extremely capable aviator. I assume Werner was too or he wouldn’t have been there. They would have done everything humanly possible. Sometimes it’s just not meant to work out for you - I don’t understand why either. Absolutely tragic. RIP
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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by PJL » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:33 am

My take is that they had engine failure at a low altitude saw a possible landing area turned towards it and spun in. A very scary and sad scenario.

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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by mnmodels » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:21 am

PJL wrote:
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My take is that they had engine failure at a low altitude saw a possible landing area turned towards it and spun in. A very scary and sad scenario.

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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by biffvj » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:45 am

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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by richard C » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:28 am

I recently met John Froneman - is he a related to the pilot ?
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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by Multirotordronepilot » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:32 am

richard C wrote:
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I recently met John Froneman - is he a related to the pilot ?
John or Johan ?
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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by Bassboy » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:48 am

very very sad
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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by richard C » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:37 am

Multirotordronepilot wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:32 am
richard C wrote:
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I recently met John Froneman - is he a related to the pilot ?
John or Johan ?
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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by Rooster » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:54 am

I want to start by saying that I'm so sorry for your loss to those closest to these fellow aviators. It's tragic!
I've always wondered about the speed at which I'd have to move to transition from best angle of climb to best glide speed in my heavy loaded light homebuilt, in order to avoid a stall if I had an engine out?

Is it worth thinking about in this case, uncle Jim?
Or in any case at all? (Am I thinking stupid?).
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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by GL » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:46 am

Rooster wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:54 am
I want to start by saying that I'm so sorry for your loss to those closest to these fellow aviators. It's tragic!
I've always wondered about the speed at which I'd have to move to transition from best angle of climb to best glide speed in my heavy loaded light homebuilt, in order to avoid a stall if I had an engine out?

Is it worth thinking about in this case, uncle Jim?
Or in any case at all? (Am I thinking stupid?).
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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by Dusty Eagle » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:59 am

Very sad, was looking forward to their return..Condolences to family and friends.

If one looks at the undercarriage and light damage to the spinner and prop, it seems the engine wasn't turning at the moment of impact which seems that the aircraft hit fairly flat with a high rate of descent.
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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by apitman » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:12 am

The Airplane Factory is devastated to report that there has been an accident of the flight support aircraft on the U Dream Cape to Cairo Project and that the Project Directors, Des Werner and Werner Froneman, have lost their lives. No one else was involved in the accident.

We will be assisting the relevant authorities to investigate the background to, and cause of the accident. We confirm that the aircraft is ZU-TAF, an aircraft which was flown around the world by the Directors of The Airplane Factory during 2011.

We kindly request everybody’s understanding at this incredibly difficult time.

Our love and thoughts go to Des and Werner’s friends and families.

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CEO The Airplane Factory.
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Re: flight support aircraft - Cape to Cairo Challenge RIP

Unread post by richard C » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:31 am

RIP those two aviators.

I think this is going to be tremendously hard on their families. Thoughts are with you.
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