Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

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Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

Unread post by tansg » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:14 am

I have looked for a mention of this incident on here and surprisingly did not find it. This is comes from Flight Global and illustrates how fast and how bad something can become in the cockpit.

Crippled SmartLynx A320 nursed home after runway strike

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... tr-461983/
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Re: Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:04 am

Safety pilot and instructor earned their salaries =D>
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Re: Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

Unread post by Iceberg » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:35 am

The impossible turn was possible this time... well done by the crew.
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Re: Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

Unread post by Baggie » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:49 am

Read the report carefully. The instructor and safety pilot stroked the cat and basically caused the accident. They did a fair job of recovering from their self inflicted problems.
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Re: Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:40 am

Baggie wrote:
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Read the report carefully. The instructor and safety pilot stroked the cat and basically caused the accident. They did a fair job of recovering from their self inflicted problems.
The instructor took control from the student and found that there was no response in pitch from the side-stick.
Safety pilot was not occupying a flying seat [-X
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Re: Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

Unread post by Deanw » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:53 am

Ugly Duckling wrote:
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Safety pilot was not occupying a flying seat [-X
The safety pilot took the first officer's seat, with the student and the inspector retreating to the cabin.
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Unread post by jimdavis » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:55 am

WOW - that's a truly remarkable story!

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Re: Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

Unread post by Insane » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:40 pm

"combined with a "weakness" in a particular aspect of system logic resulted in a loss of pitch control by both spoiler elevator computers."

Asking out of ignorance, if this can be simulated then surely it can happen in normal operations? Wondering if this weakness will receive the same scrutiny as the MCAS issue?
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Re: Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:29 pm

Deanw wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:53 am
Ugly Duckling wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:40 am
Safety pilot was not occupying a flying seat [-X
The safety pilot took the first officer's seat, with the student and the inspector retreating to the cabin.
Safety pilot was not occupying a flying seat at the time when the student wacked the engines into the runway.
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Re: Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

Unread post by spatz » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:09 pm

Why is every one blaming the student ?
from the article

"These three students had already undergone touch-and-go practice, and the fourth was carrying out his third touch-and-go cycle, accelerating for take-off on runway 08 with the engines at full thrust.

But the aircraft failed to respond to a rotation command from the side-stick at about 130kt. The centralised aircraft monitor showed a left and right elevator fault, and warned of manual pitch-trim only.

Although the elevators were locked at neutral, the horizontal stabiliser was slightly nose-up and the aircraft became airborne at 152kt. The instructor took control from the student and found that there was no response in pitch from the side-stick.

The inquiry says that, as aircraft reached a height of 19ft, it was 950m from the far end of the runway. Its thrust levers were retarded to 'idle', the flap setting was reduced, and the captain ordered the landing-gear retracted.


The instructor wouldn't take control from the student then hand back control would they. The damage to the engines was only as a consequence of the retarded thrust settings and the flap retraction. this was after the instructor had control of the aircraft

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Re: Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

Unread post by floats » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:37 pm

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Re: Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

Unread post by tansg » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:27 am

Insane wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:40 pm
"combined with a "weakness" in a particular aspect of system logic resulted in a loss of pitch control by both spoiler elevator computers."

Asking out of ignorance, if this can be simulated then surely it can happen in normal operations? Wondering if this weakness will receive the same scrutiny as the MCAS issue?
Already is. Just not been picked up by the Gutter Press yet. EASA is all over them about it.
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Re: Horror Story Worthy of Halloween: Crippled A320 successfully recovered by crew

Unread post by Wingnutter » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:11 pm

That’s a pretty badly written article - wondering why the captain reduced thrust to idle and retracted the landing gear? - and what’s a spoiler elevator??

Well handled by the sounds of it though.
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