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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by Ray W » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:54 am

Glad the Instructor and pupe were not badly injured. According to info I have they were treated on the scene and then transported to hospital with light to moderate injuries.
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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by No Fly No More » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:54 am

News out that it was a training flight and they came in too low ...... eish .... ZS-EXI .... T
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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by PJL » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:08 am

Iceberg wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:53 am
Christo wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:36 am
go go juice?
Conditions are ideal for carb icing at low power, like when approaching to land as it seems to be here.
I think that you guys are on the money!!

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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by Mikemccrsa » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:18 am

No Fly No More wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:54 am
News out that it was a training flight and they came in too low ...... eish .... ZS-EXI .... T
This does not make much sense to me so perhaps there is more info not given here. How does one "come in too low" if the aircraft had power available? The flaps look retracted to me but of course that could be a post crash action to aid getting out the plane.
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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by Sea Rescue » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:00 am

Hi Guys,

My initial opinion in respect of the prop blade in view, is that there was little or no power on it. With power on in an attempt to save the low approach and "undershoot", it would have had curled tips. The slight bend backwards is purely from the aircraft's forward motion. Clearly the loss of power struck them squarely at a "pants down" moment forcing them straight into the spot they stopped in.

Thus the "Carb heat" speculation could be walking away with the "WHY" prize money.

Otherwise well done with the walk away - they went in more or less straight ahead v/s pull back, stall, spin. crash ,burn !!?? Full marks there.

Get well soon and see ya in the circuit !!

Fly Safe.
Just a quick edit - no-juice would have the same effect, however I seriously doubt that a qualified instructor will be found in the circuit with no fuel ? - unless it was a return from a cross-country and an unexpected head-wind took it's toll ?? However, am sure they can tell us more about the facts.
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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by V5 - LEO » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:07 am

Madcap wrote:
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...prop bent backwards means there was power and what is it with the angle of the right wing?
My understanding was that a prop bent forwards was under power.
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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by crazydoc » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:20 am

What strikes me are all the trees on the photos. Amazing. Well done guys!(I think).
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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by PJL » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:23 am

crazydoc wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:20 am
What strikes me are all the trees on the photos. Amazing. Well done guys!(I think).
and the fact that they came to rest perfectly in the flower bed.

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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:09 am

1st take off in the morning. Enough go juice on board.
Carb ice is the most likely culprit with the present atmospheric conditions.
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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by Oldlae » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:12 am

I agree, a very considerate landing, not impeding the motorists, and look how quickly the for sale signs have been erected!
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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by No Fly No More » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:22 am

Mikemccrsa wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:18 am
No Fly No More wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:54 am
News out that it was a training flight and they came in too low ...... eish .... ZS-EXI .... T
This does not make much sense to me so perhaps there is more info not given here. How does one "come in too low" if the aircraft had power available? The flaps look retracted to me but of course that could be a post crash action to aid getting out the plane.
Yeah, what was the instructor doing ..... surely he must've realised that they were running out of "steam" and altitude, and taken control???
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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by xfiles » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:31 am

I’m just glad that the pilots are okay. Whatever the cause is, I hope we can all learn from this.
I’ve experienced an EFATO and I can tell you now that the silence of the engine failure is the loudest silence you’ll ever hear.
The adrenaline flows and you make errors, however the training does kick in.
“In an emergency a pilot will not rise up to the occasion but will sink to the level of his training” This is a quote by whoever knows. I’m sure google will tell you
Safe flying and all the best from now onwards.
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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by richard C » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:35 am

Do Piper pilots pull the carb-heat on downwind and base ? Always ?

I know that Jim talks about the superior design of the Piper because the carb continually scavenges heat from the engine near which it was cleverly placed, but does that effect the training ?
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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by Volo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:41 am

Looks like the pole came within centimeters of the left wing tank ??
I am guessing water might have been the cause . Perhaps the aircraft was outside and with all this rain about who knows ?
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Re: Crash Springs

Unread post by PJL » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:53 am

richard C wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:35 am
Do Piper pilots pull the carb-heat on downwind and base ? Always ?
I was taught when turning base. I am so glad that my aerie is fuel injected!!

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