ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

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ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by Raffles » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:10 pm

I just received some pictures on a whatsapp group, I don't see any other topic here
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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by Raffles » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:47 pm

This is one of the pictures, since they are not mine I'm not sure if the owner will object, if they do I will have to take it down.
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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by Tango Romeo » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:03 pm

Hi power accident... what broke the windscreen? Birdstrike?

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This is one of the pictures, since they are not mine I'm not sure if the owner will object, if they do I will have to take it down.

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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by Dragon » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:05 pm

Windscreen probably just from the firewall buckling upwards.
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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by Raffles » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:19 pm

Can anyone confirm if this plane used to be operated by Border Flying Club in the 80s?
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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by Bearcat » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:45 pm

ZS-FHC 6 Jan 2020
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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:55 pm

if the "THEORY" is correct, then the forward bent prop means it was under considerable power when it first struck the ground ?

Apart from the buckled firewall, this should be a repairable option ....except for the firwall ?
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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by 87Juliet » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:08 pm

From someone at the scene I can share that there was too much air in the fuel tanks... :roll:
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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:16 pm

87Juliet wrote:
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From someone at the scene I can share that there was too much air in the fuel tanks... :roll:
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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by Raffles » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:26 pm

Also looks like the wing is pretty messed up.
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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by grounded » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:31 pm

87Juliet wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:08 pm
From someone at the scene I can share that there was too much air in the fuel tanks... :roll:
for a Flying Training Organisations aircraft - NOT GOOD !
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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:47 pm

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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by Slam and Go » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:20 pm

Did she run out of juice in the cruise or close to an airfield? Location of 'forced landing' site?
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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by Mrb13676 » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:55 pm

Hang on.
Prop tips being bent would suggest that engine running at impact. Does not gel with the fuel starvation rumour?

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Re: ZS-FHC down 2020_03_08?

Unread post by jimdavis » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:54 pm

That prop bending rule is far from infallible. But on the same topic, I seem to remember this 180 had been fitted with a CSU. Anyone know it that's correct? It was never a good idea on the 180s - it simply added weight, maintenance costs and seemed to degrade performance.

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