Immigration - those coming back home - it's your turn.

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Re: Immigration - those coming back home - it's your turn.

Unread post by vanjast » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:57 am

Jack.. sport ;)

You could be herr Professor in your subject... and be totally out of date with the current law.
It's just a matter of timing and relevance.
Been there done that.. and won a case... on common sense and timing ;)
.. and I'm not even close to being a lawyer... makes you think :)
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Unread post by Jack Welles » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:07 am

Back on topic -

With family for a Christmas lunch and, because of this thread, asked my son why he had come back to SA after 2 years in the UK and 4 in Australia and he had a one-word answer - Africa.
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Unread post by Marius Schrenk » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:55 am

:? Een oog inni land van die blindes......min kompetisie.??
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Re: Immigration - those coming back home - it's your turn.

Unread post by ACE MAN » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:06 am

Jack Welles wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:07 am
Back on topic -

With family for a Christmas lunch and, because of this thread, asked my son why he had come back to SA after 2 years in the UK and 4 in Australia and he had a one-word answer - Africa.
I get it , exactly what I alluded to on Pg one of this thread. I hope I do not need to explain it again. All the best with one's decisions - there is no right or wrong, make a decision for yourself and you do not need to explain to anyone.
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Re: Immigration - those coming back home - it's your turn.

Unread post by cage » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:06 am

With a bit of luck, all those that can't imagine a future without leaving will leave.
Perhaps that will adjust the perspective.
If those that see a future here, and want to be here, return then perhaps there will be a lot less anger and a bit more tolerance and understanding in this nation of ours.

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Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:00 am

The ex local head of Extrata before it became Glencore said:" only 2 places in the world where things are still happening and guts and initiative will give you a good and exciting life. Russia and South Africa. All the others are over regulated and boring"

I love Africa though the African burocracy is extremely soul destroying. The trick is to set yourself up as far below the radar as possible and fly solo as a bush pilot.
Forget about CMR and the system, it will devour your being, as Albert Schweitzer said after 50 years trying to uplift the community.

Sometimes I whish that I have emmigrated when I was younger but I knew I would always want to return for the above reasons.

I would rather wonder about emmigrating than pine about immigrating.
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Re: Immigration - those coming back home - it's your turn.

Unread post by Jack Welles » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:27 am

Spoke Eagle wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:00 am
The ex local head of Extrata before it became Glencore said:" only 2 places in the world where things are still happening and guts and initiative will give you a good and exciting life. Russia and South Africa. All the others are over regulated and boring"

I love Africa though the African burocracy is extremely soul destroying. The trick is to set yourself up as far below the radar as possible and fly solo as a bush pilot.
Forget about CMR and the system, it will devour your being, as Albert Schweitzer said after 50 years trying to uplift the community.

Sometimes I whish that I have emmigrated when I was younger but I knew I would always want to return for the above reasons.

I would rather wonder about emmigrating than pine about immigrating.
:D So basically you immigrated before you emigrated, which cancelled each other out, thus saving yourself a bucket full of hassle and expense :lol:
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Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:49 am

Net so Eddie😉
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Re: Immigration - those coming back home - it's your turn.

Unread post by Mfezi » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:25 am

From my point of view: Spent 5 years in the US and really enjoyed it. Especially in my field (aerospace engineering) the possibilities in the US seemed endless and the excitement of working with companies and individuals that I only read about before was incredible. However, after about 3 or 4 years the novelty wore off for me and it was just another place in which to live, study and work with all the associate pressures. My circle of friends were very international - some were Americans, but the majority came from all over and represented literally every continent except Antarctica. Come to think of it, one of them did spend a stint down there also... I had very little contact with South Africans where I was except for a small number of acquaintances in the area. Most of my family were still in South Africa and as time went on I really did start to miss both South Africa and Africa as a continent. Also, 9/11 happened while I was in the US and there was a definite shift in how I experienced the country before and after that event.

I was never really sorry I left the US. I did consider Europe and a few other places, but I also cannot say I was sorry that I decided to return to South Africa despite those other options. Ok, maybe I did have second thoughts during certain points in the Zuma reign... My work is pretty international and I have found South Africa a good base to work from for a number of reasons. I do get to travel internationally a lot: both for business, the occasional holiday and to visit my in-laws - the result of being married to a foreign citizen who, by the way, recently received her South African citizenship. This travel takes care of the curiosity and adventure aspect to a large degree. Due to the international nature of my work and the education that I received (for this I am grateful to the US) I can move base permanently if I really feel the need. However, I don't really have a pressing need to go - at the moment I'm letting business and certain opportunities dictate things to me. If they eventually lead me to a more permanent overseas base I might consider it, but somehow I doubt that I would ever make a complete break with South Africa.

Besides my 5 years in the US, other places where I have spent a significant amount of time include the UK, the Middle East, a lot of time in Russia and slightly less time in a number of other European and African countries. Funny enough, the most exciting and interesting place among those potential destinations for me is Russia (and it is the country where I spent the most time after South Africa and the USA). But none of the places I have been to have really promised enough of an improvement over my current standard of living that I felt I should go. I have family who moved to Canada, Belgium, the UK and New Zealand - they seem to be happier there than they were in South Africa, so I support their decisions fully.

Thinking back to those South African acquaintances of mine in the US that I mentioned earlier (most went there to study for their PhD's or Master's degrees, some were already working there), there seems to be a fairly large number who eventually returned or who subsequently moved to a third country. Besides myself, there were at least three others that I know of who gave up lucrative jobs or job opportunities in the US in order to return to South Africa. I guess each individual has to decide for themselves. You only live once and you need to decide where you will have the most fulfilling life. However, I do sometimes think that a lot of South Africans are a little over critical of South Africa and a bit too blind for problems in other countries, but that is just my opinion.
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Unread post by Jean Crous » Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:52 pm

Mfezi, your last sentence nails it on the number. Thanks for an objective and well put view.
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Unread post by Horace Blok » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:19 am

According to statistics, almost half a million expats have returned to South Africa since 2009. There are countless reasons why South African expats are moving back but I have found the most common reasons to be this:

#1 Missing family and friends

It is a no brainer that family and friends are what life is all about… so it comes as no surprise that this is the number one reason for expats returning to South Africa. For some people, it’s enough to be able to skype or facetime on a regular basis; but for others, technology simply doesn’t cut it. They feel like they are missing out on all the big events like weddings, births, and (sadly) deaths.

#2 Not being able to adapt to a new culture

Living in a foreign country sure sounds romantic and exciting but when expats find themselves on unfamiliar ground, they tend to stick to what is familiar. Many South Africans never adapt to the culture of their new country because they look for South Africa around every corner. I’m not saying you should forget who you are, I’m saying you should embrace change and new experiences.

#3 Starting over financially didn’t work out

It’s no secret that starting over abroad is extremely difficult! Emigrating from South Africa, thinking you will walk into a cosy life straight away, is nothing more than a dream. Many South Africans are willing to do anything, even entry level jobs and they are the ones that stick it out with exceptional results.

#4 The weather sucks

As you might know, sunny South Africa has one of the best climates in the world. That is if you love sunshine and heat of course. I wouldn’t recommend moving to Vancouver (Canada), Melbourne (Australia), Ireland or anywhere in the UK if you don’t appreciate rain. You will get depressed! It is crucial that you do your homework on the climate of your intended country so you don’t get any surprises later on.

#5 Never intended on staying forever

Yes, it’s true. Some people emigrate temporarily to gain international work experience or to study abroad. You might even want to move to a certain country so you could travel more but never intend on staying forever.

Deciding to emigrate from South Africa is probably one of the hardest decisions you’ll ever make. For some people, the grass will be greener on the other side. It all depends on you and your attitude. (Read Adele’s reasons why many South Africans are considering emigrating.)

Of course, you will miss your family and friends and you’ll miss South Africa because the mind tends to only remember the good things, but always keep in mind what your reasons were for leaving and if they haven’t changed, I’d think hard and long about moving back to South Africa.
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Re: Immigration - those coming back home - it's your turn.

Unread post by Horace Blok » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:36 am

Jean Crous wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:52 pm
Mfezi, your last sentence nails it on the number. Thanks for an objective and well put view.
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I don’t know of anyone that jumps from the frying pan into the fire. I’m convinced those considering a relocation study diligently their options and complete a matrix of assumptions and values and at the end come up with a pretty logical conclusion. One of the assumptions no doubt tackles the domestic situation of the intended country. Or??
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Unread post by paulw » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:33 am

Horace Blok wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:19 am
According to statistics, almost half a million expats have returned to South Africa since 2009. There are countless reasons why South African expats are moving back but I have found the most common reasons to be this:

#1 Missing family and friends

It is a no brainer that family and friends are what life is all about… so it comes as no surprise that this is the number one reason for expats returning to South Africa. For some people, it’s enough to be able to skype or facetime on a regular basis; but for others, technology simply doesn’t cut it. They feel like they are missing out on all the big events like weddings, births, and (sadly) deaths.

#2 Not being able to adapt to a new culture

Living in a foreign country sure sounds romantic and exciting but when expats find themselves on unfamiliar ground, they tend to stick to what is familiar. Many South Africans never adapt to the culture of their new country because they look for South Africa around every corner. I’m not saying you should forget who you are, I’m saying you should embrace change and new experiences.

#3 Starting over financially didn’t work out

It’s no secret that starting over abroad is extremely difficult! Emigrating from South Africa, thinking you will walk into a cosy life straight away, is nothing more than a dream. Many South Africans are willing to do anything, even entry level jobs and they are the ones that stick it out with exceptional results.

#4 The weather sucks

As you might know, sunny South Africa has one of the best climates in the world. That is if you love sunshine and heat of course. I wouldn’t recommend moving to Vancouver (Canada), Melbourne (Australia), Ireland or anywhere in the UK if you don’t appreciate rain. You will get depressed! It is crucial that you do your homework on the climate of your intended country so you don’t get any surprises later on.

#5 Never intended on staying forever

Yes, it’s true. Some people emigrate temporarily to gain international work experience or to study abroad. You might even want to move to a certain country so you could travel more but never intend on staying forever.

Deciding to emigrate from South Africa is probably one of the hardest decisions you’ll ever make. For some people, the grass will be greener on the other side. It all depends on you and your attitude. (Read Adele’s reasons why many South Africans are considering emigrating.)

Of course, you will miss your family and friends and you’ll miss South Africa because the mind tends to only remember the good things, but always keep in mind what your reasons were for leaving and if they haven’t changed, I’d think hard and long about moving back to South Africa.
My observation too. Especially the first one that people tend to come back for family and family keep nagging to come back.
The last one to remember why you left in the first place and then even if you come on holiday, you only see the good and not the bad and ugly. The braai with family, etc and then you make a decision based on that. Once you back for a month or two, the reality sinks in and you wish to go back and regret coming back to SA. Happened to me, brother and others.
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Re: Immigration - those coming back home - it's your turn.

Unread post by paulw » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:43 am

Horace Blok wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:36 am
Jean Crous wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:52 pm
Mfezi, your last sentence nails it on the number. Thanks for an objective and well put view.
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I don’t know of anyone that jumps from the frying pan into the fire. I’m convinced those considering a relocation study diligently their options and complete a matrix of assumptions and values and at the end come up with a pretty logical conclusion. One of the assumptions no doubt tackles the domestic situation of the intended country. Or??
Again agreed. I made a spreadsheet with various countries on it with lots of items to check and they varied from less important to very important. Included can you take dogs, how many dogs, type of dogs (Some countries ban some dogs), visas, medical facilities i.e. dental and cancer treatment, waiting lists for specialists, cost of living, prices of cars and types of cars, crime rates and how serious crime (crime is everywhere, but how much and how serious), economy, General Aviation costs and how easy to fly, aircraft available, and some other stuff ie language
I then highlighted the cells with colour to indicate if something is a problem or will work or will work great. Red, Orange, light green and darker green. Then it is easy to see a sort of heat map.
You then see no country is perfect and all have issues, but you choose the one that fit your lifestyle, what is important to you and your family and dig deeper.

Some will go blindly to a country just because they know someone who live there already or easy to get a job, but in my case I looked at the bigger picture and about everything thats important to me.

And although it may sound this post is more fitting under the emigration thread rather than this thread, it applies to this thread as well.
You need to compare all these countries with SA as well before emigrating but ALSO if you are already somewhere else and thinking about returning.
Do your homework before returning in order not to regret it afterwards.
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Re: Immigration - those coming back home - it's your turn.

Unread post by cage » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:02 am

Returning to SA is a known quantity, you know the people, culture, lifestyle, what to expect etc.
Going the other way is more difficult because without experiencing it firsthand you can never know what it is actually like to live somewhere.
A holiday isn't the same thing, and while others may explain what to expect, how you experience it may be different and that can't be adequately evaluated in any spreadsheet.

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