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When nature calls?...

Unread post by John Hilton » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:42 pm

Hey all,

A hypothetical situation I have been thinking about and want some guidance and advice.

The situation:
Flying from Livingstone to Lanseria, in my Sling4 Turbo that is around 4.5-5 hours so no problem for fuel endurance, but possible problem for bladder endurance. Now I am stamped out of Livingstone, overflying a little bit of Zimbabwe, then Botswana and onwards into South African airspace. What happens if the need to for a "number 1", or worse, ""number 2 arises. For argument sake Francistown is in range. Can ATC clear me to land there, and would I have to stamp passport to use the "facilities"? What if there was a serviceable bush strip with plenty of toilet-trees around, could I use it - with ATC approval of course?

What would the standard procedure be in this situation?

It hasn't happened yet, but I have done a few legs from Lanseria to Maun (3.5 to 4 hours) and have managed, albeit just...

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Unread post by krjockey » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:25 pm

A technical stop on a cross border flight can be done at a port of entry, so Francistown will be fine. There would be no need to be stamped if you stay airside.
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Unread post by Dragon » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:30 pm

There are others better suited to giving you a full reply but I can give you half an answer.
That is, that the most important thing you can do is prevention.

So unless you suffer from kidney stones you can restrict your fluid intake (within reason) beforehand and obviously avoid diuretics like tea and coffee.

Then if you anticipate further emergencies you can go one of two routes if you are male. 1)Either keep an empty 2l coke bottle stashed away if you have the space, or more fancy, one of the collapsible drinking bladders(easier to collapse), or 2) go to the trouble of acquiring an adult nappy(and a checkers packet), which has the added advantage of coping to a certain degree with a number 2, although that would be a very bad day at the office!

If this is a recurrent theme then go to the trouble of installing a pee tube. The Venturi sucks it out neatly and you can also get a "Lady Jane" adapter for your companion.

But I hear you - if you have to land, you have to land.
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Unread post by bosvark » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:45 am

2l Coke bottle. Too much volume (space) than needed and too little opening. Will be a tight squeeze .......or a tight aim.
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Re: When nature calls?...

Unread post by Iceberg » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:56 am

I have an empty margarine container with a lid that seals well. (The large round one)
Plus a bogroll if needed.
Only for emergency use of course. :lol:

Wait for smooth air and switch on the autopilot.

Good for no. 1 or 2. :wink:
Only ever rarely used it for no. 1 though.

If you are going up high where it is cold and your heater is not functioning properly - take warm clothes, especially for your legs.
As you know the cold will shrink your body to retain heat and will deposit the extra fluid in your bladder.
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Unread post by kwest » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:50 pm

Condom in a sick bag works a treat. Just make sure you dispose of the wrappers before you ever tidy up your flight bag on the lounge floor....
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Re: When nature calls?...

Unread post by The Hun » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:53 pm

First thing I installed in my Cubby, was a funnel and a pipe leading outside
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Unread post by 426306 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:12 pm

HTH Bottle.
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Re: When nature calls?...

Unread post by CWS » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:15 pm

426306 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:12 pm
HTH Bottle.
Just make sure it’s got no product in it. Years ago we had one that was not properly cleaned out on a trip to Kariba. Once used starts producing vapor and heats up. Could have become very dangerous if it hadn’t fitted through the storm window😀
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Unread post by chrisbe20 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:24 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: I used to fly Beechcraft 1900's on contract in some very friendly areas such as Somalia, Chad, Mali, Niger. This has reminded me of the very serious Africa Belly I used to get (the chicken wings that had more fluff than my dog where a great laxative). We sometimes flew 4hr sectors and I can't even explain some of the "facilities" at "airports" I have used.

Worst is when it hits you just as the pax are boarding, I guess I trained my stomach and that other part to just hold on and have peaceful thoughts :roll:

Unfortunately over a two year period only one of these 1900's had an actual toilet. When I found a toilet at an "airport" well...I'll let your imagination guess what the toilet looked like (nothing better than sitting in a green box, when lucky in 46 degree heat), very lucky if water was available :?

In any event, I managed by limiting my food intake, carrying toilet paper at all times, disinfectant wipes, sanitizer and absolutely no chilli in my food :lol: (Oh, how I missed beloved Chilli).
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Re: When nature calls?...

Unread post by chrisbe20 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:39 pm

The Hun wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:53 pm
First thing I installed in my Cubby, was a funnel and a pipe leading outside
Heard of a guy back in the day of Rhodesia, he had a funnel fitted into his PA235 with one of those old venturi gyro systems still seen on some old 172's due to a bad bladder...apparently on the first use it sucked his job into it so bad he made an emergency landing. :shock:
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Unread post by ddevos » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:58 pm

chrisbe20 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:39 pm
... with one of those old venturi gyro systems still seen on some old 172's ...
Interestingly you can see those venturis on some brand new aircraft as well after all these years.
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Re: When nature calls?...

Unread post by Frank Persson » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:35 am

In gliding we use pee bags which crystalise on contact with urine. No smell. Can accommodate over a liter. Very compact re storage.Also has a template to accommodate woman.
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