Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Burner » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:06 pm

Latest from the Beeb.. "Captain wanted to return..." doesn't say why.
'Captain wanted to return'
The CEO of Ethiopian Airlines Tewolde Gebremariam is speaking at a press conference.

He said the captain of the crashed plane had told controllers at Bole airport that he was having difficulty and wanted to return, and that he had been given clearance.

He also said that the plane had arrived on Sunday morning from South Africa.

“[The] plane had more than three hours of ground time after coming from South Africa, it arrived with no remark and was dispatched with no remark.”

Mr Tewolde said smoke was still smouldering at the crash site when he visited.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by bucky_za » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:08 pm

Spoke Eagle wrote:
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What would fail first if you overspeed to much?
Someone mentioned it went down after they turned, so perhaps something stressed out and broke at that point, causing loss of control.
Perhaps one of the control surfaces at the rear where operated, causing a failure and breakaway of the Horizontal or vertical stabilisers.
Not many photos up as yet, but it looks like the crash area is not widespread indicating that it wasn't a major in flight breakup, which you would expect when loosing a wing at that speed.

The sudden increase/decrease in altitude is sort of the same as the previous accident, with different results due to the different phase of flight, coupled with an even increasing air speed they had little time to sort things out.
bottom line is both crashes are basically due to unstable speed and altitude, resulting in a loss of control.

Looking at the track, why would they level out when they did, was this due to an autopilot issue, or did the pilots do it on purpose to figure out an issue ?

If it isn't pilot error, there is clearly some system that is an issue on this aircraft, that hasn't been pinpointed as yet.
If the max fleet isn't grounded, I sure hope operators ground any bird with faults relating to these systems, not just repair and put back into service.
I wouldn't be happy getting onto one, that's for sure.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by henkhugo » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:19 pm

I hope its not related
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Unread post by henkhugo » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:23 pm

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Swartbok » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:25 pm

bucky_za wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:08 pm
Spoke Eagle wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:27 pm
What would fail first if you overspeed to much?
Someone mentioned it went down after they turned, so perhaps something stressed out and broke at that point, causing loss of control.
Perhaps one of the control surfaces at the rear where operated, causing a failure and breakaway of the Horizontal or vertical stabilisers.
Not many photos up as yet, but it looks like the crash area is not widespread indicating that it wasn't a major in flight breakup, which you would expect when loosing a wing at that speed..................
I very much doubt overspeed or over control break up for what it’s worth.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by henkhugo » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:35 pm

Addis Ababa - An Ethiopian Airlines plane that crashed on Sunday was carrying passengers from more than 30 countries, the airline's CEO told journalists.

He said they included 32 Kenyans, 18 Canadians, nine Ethiopians, eight Italians, eight Chinese citizens, eight Americans, seven British citizens, seven French citizens, six Egyptians, five Dutch citizens, four Indians, four people from Slovakia, three Austrians, three Swedes, three Russians, two Moroccans, two Spaniards, two Poles and two Israelis.

Belgium, Indonesia, Somalia, Norway, Serbia, Togo, Mozambique, Rwanda, Sudan, Uganda and Yemen each had one citizen onboard.

Four of those onboard were listed as using United Nations passports and their nationalities were not immediately clear.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by bucky_za » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:41 pm

Swartbok wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:25 pm
bucky_za wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:08 pm
Spoke Eagle wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:27 pm
What would fail first if you overspeed to much?
Someone mentioned it went down after they turned, so perhaps something stressed out and broke at that point, causing loss of control.
Perhaps one of the control surfaces at the rear where operated, causing a failure and breakaway of the Horizontal or vertical stabilisers.
Not many photos up as yet, but it looks like the crash area is not widespread indicating that it wasn't a major in flight breakup, which you would expect when loosing a wing at that speed..................
I very much doubt overspeed or over control break up for what it’s worth.
But possible to loose a control surface, or damage it wouldnt you say ?

Looking at the latest pics it certainly went in intact.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Swartbok » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:04 pm

bucky_za wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:41 pm
Swartbok wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:25 pm
bucky_za wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:08 pm


Someone mentioned it went down after they turned, so perhaps something stressed out and broke at that point, causing loss of control.
Perhaps one of the control surfaces at the rear where operated, causing a failure and breakaway of the Horizontal or vertical stabilisers.
Not many photos up as yet, but it looks like the crash area is not widespread indicating that it wasn't a major in flight breakup, which you would expect when loosing a wing at that speed..................
I very much doubt overspeed or over control break up for what it’s worth.
But possible to loose a control surface, or damage it wouldnt you say ?

Looking at the latest pics it certainly went in intact.
Yes sure it’s possible, but I doubt it, I may be wrong.
Boeing builds strong aeroplanes.
Rudder would break off if he was peddling it like a bicycle.
Horizontal stab might break if he was over controlling but at that speed I would expect much more violent VS and altitude changes.

I was thinking more along the lines of the second part of your post, that’s it’s very reminiscent of Lion Air.

I may be completely wrong, just speculating.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by grjplanes » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:04 pm

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I see its previous 4 flights were all between OR Tambo and Addis... depending on what actually happened, sobering to think that whatever happened could have gone on just after take off above Joburg.

Hits close to home considering how many South Africans use Ethiopian.
I flew JNB-ADD on Wednesday night, specifically to have first Max flight, was on ET-AVK though, guess the one delivered after this fatal one...so bit eerie...Going out was very low at first (only experienced before on A340-300 out of JNB before) i suspected it was because of reasonably heavy load (seeing what was checked in) and being almost full on a long(ish) route for narrowbody out of high altitude...also weird vibrating sound at first. Also eerie is i boarded my ADD-MBA connection next to ET302 of Thurs morning.
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Unread post by HAAN » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:13 pm

so SAD. RIP
Many similarities ti the Lion air crash :shock:
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Unread post by WFFF » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:18 pm

I see on their Twitter page they released the names of the pilots and experience. The Captain had 8000hrs and the Co-Pilot had 200hrs. Possible training flight resulting in a very high work load for the Captain in such a scenario?
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Jasondn78 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:21 pm

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Incredible that were no Saffers on the flight.

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