Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by cage » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:39 pm

200 hours as a FO. Is that right?
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by cage » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:40 pm

Jasondn78 wrote:
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Incredible that were no Saffers on the flight.

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Not really a route SA locals would use to get to Kenya.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by wingnutzster » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:55 pm

HJK 414 wrote:
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Ray W wrote:
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Another B737-800 Max.
Oh dear, another Max ?
That will cause some debate - for sure.
I don't think the aviation market has ever lost airframe's of the same type so quickly after introduction.

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Weren't there successive Comet 1 crashes in a similar timeframe? Looking into it it's remarkably similar in terms of how close the first two losses occurred - first Comet crash 26 Oct 1952, 2nd on the 3rd of March 1953 :shock: :shock: This one is a little close to home, hope we're not entering another season of crashes :(

Regardless of what the cause turns out to be, I wonder how this will affect the image of Boeing's new baby? I can't imagine a brand new airframe, on a hyper tested and proven design would fail catastrophically at 380kts!
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by howzitt » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:11 pm

cage wrote:
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200 hours as a FO. Is that right?
Forget about the 200 hour man.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by wingnutzster » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:20 pm

I am not sure if MAX8 employs maneuvre-limiting fly by wire, I don't think so but I just can't imagine a qualified crew as capable as Ethiopian's are supposed to be stressing a brand new airframe to a catastrophic failure in a turn - that and the nature of the wreckage and impact crater look more to me like the recent Prime Air 767 high energy event, no indication they stalled or spun in and no weather to consider a factor so it really is looking a lot like Lion Air if you ask me. I see the Ombudsman is calling for the grounding of the MAX 8 already :shock: :roll:
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Mustang » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:33 pm

Interesting information about the possible cause of Lion Air crash on the following link... could the same perhaps have happened just before this crash?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/28/opin ... index.html
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Airwayfreak » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:34 pm

howzitt wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:11 pm
cage wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:39 pm
200 hours as a FO. Is that right?
Forget about the 200 hour man.
We all had 200 hours as an F/O at some point
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Roger » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:36 pm

Airwayfreak wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:34 pm
howzitt wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:11 pm
cage wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:39 pm
200 hours as a FO. Is that right?
Forget about the 200 hour man.
We all had 200 hours as an F/O at some point
Think it needs to be clarified as to whether it was 200 hours total time or 200 as F/O.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Airwayfreak » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:54 pm

Roger wrote:
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Think it needs to be clarified as to whether it was 200 hours total time or 200 as F/O.
Quite right. Ethiopian Airlines do have a MPL programme and their F/O requirements are vague
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by wingnutzster » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:59 pm

737 MAX & NG specs, differences and limitations - http://www.b737.org.uk/737max.htm
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by OscarKilo » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:00 pm

The high speed on initial climb amd weird vertical profile has got “systems” issues written all over it. I think we can suspect to get a notification shortly that all maxs’will be grounded pending investigation.

I’m not a big plane driver bit do understand some of the systems a bit. If the fmc was programmed correctly shortly after take off vnav and lnav would be armed. If the plane kept on accelerating without increasing the rate of climb either the auto throttle screwed apround (being stuck in to/ga) or any other system/settting related to the vnav profile was messing around.

The second one which is less believable for me as that after vnav and lnav arming the pilot flying did not follow the flight director. As said. Highly unlikely for me.

And big plane uncles please care to comment and correct me if wrong.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by Golf Tango » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:04 pm

Could it be nefarious activity?
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by skytrooper » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:07 pm

Over the years the one question that Always remain: why is there not a Simple override switch, overriding Everything when things go sideways, it's really a simple solution, yet one will hear pages of excuses why it "can't" be implemented. Absolute BS !
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines plane crashes on way to Nairobi

Unread post by jimdavis » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:17 pm

skytrooper wrote:
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Over the years the one question that Always remain: why is there not a Simple override switch, overriding Everything when things go sideways, it's really a simple solution, yet one will hear pages of excuses why it "can't" be implemented. Absolute BS !
I suspect the short answer is that Mr Boeing and Mr Airbus think their aeroplanes are smarter than the pilots. And maybe this is true most of the time. But when it really matters then it becomes untrue.

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