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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by paulw » Wed May 01, 2019 9:37 am

Whirly wrote:
Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:35 pm
My partner moved to Portugal because it is safe, the infrastructure is great and the medical care top notch. He has had a taste of the medical facilities there and came away smiling. Now HJK tells me that Spain is rated higher than Portugal for that, great news!


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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by HJK 414 » Wed May 01, 2019 9:55 am

Just for info ….

Spain scored 90 points out of a maximum 100, placing it eighth in the world rankings, above the healthcare systems of Italy (89), France (88), Greece (87), Germany (86), the UK (85) and Portugal (85). Andorra topped the Index with a score of 95, followed by Iceland (94) and then Switzerland in third place on 92 points.


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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by HJK 414 » Wed May 01, 2019 10:09 am

Some info on Alicante

...............….The weather here is as near perfect as it gets for a beach destination. Alicante’s temperatures average in the mid-80s F in summer, and in the low to mid-60s F in winter, with only moderate humidity. And most days are sunny.

No wonder Alicante has been a favoured beach resort for decades. Northern Europeans flock here for its warm sea and warmer sun. They can fly into Alicante’s international airport, which connects the city to destinations all over Europe. Spaniards, too, frequently come here for their annual beach vacation...……….

https://internationalliving.com/countri ... nte-spain/

Viva Espana …….. =D>

We drive back to Germany on Saturday and will be back in early September ….

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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by paulw » Wed May 01, 2019 10:36 am

HJK 414 wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 10:09 am
Some info on Alicante

...............….The weather here is as near perfect as it gets for a beach destination. Alicante’s temperatures average in the mid-80s F in summer, and in the low to mid-60s F in winter, with only moderate humidity. And most days are sunny.

No wonder Alicante has been a favoured beach resort for decades. Northern Europeans flock here for its warm sea and warmer sun. They can fly into Alicante’s international airport, which connects the city to destinations all over Europe. Spaniards, too, frequently come here for their annual beach vacation...……….

https://internationalliving.com/countri ... nte-spain/

Viva Espana …….. =D>

We drive back to Germany on Saturday and will be back in early September ….

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Thanks HJK, I am taking notes :D

I am still keen on retiring somewhere warmer with a Guesthouse, etc as semi-retirement option. So now that I am settled here in Ireland, start to look at the longer term options again. (especially flying weather)
Don't take me wrong, I love it here, great place to live, good choice, but I am not sure if I want to retire here.
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by Falafel » Wed May 01, 2019 10:40 am

paulw wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 10:36 am
HJK 414 wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 10:09 am
Some info on Alicante

...............….The weather here is as near perfect as it gets for a beach destination. Alicante’s temperatures average in the mid-80s F in summer, and in the low to mid-60s F in winter, with only moderate humidity. And most days are sunny.

No wonder Alicante has been a favoured beach resort for decades. Northern Europeans flock here for its warm sea and warmer sun. They can fly into Alicante’s international airport, which connects the city to destinations all over Europe. Spaniards, too, frequently come here for their annual beach vacation...……….

https://internationalliving.com/countri ... nte-spain/

Viva Espana …….. =D>

We drive back to Germany on Saturday and will be back in early September ….

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Thanks HJK, I am taking notes :D

I am still keen on retiring somewhere warmer with a Guesthouse, etc as semi-retirement option. So now that I am settled here in Ireland, start to look at the longer term options again. (especially flying weather)
Don't take me wrong, I love it here, great place to live, good choice, but I am not sure if I want to retire here.
Maybe just wait until you get your free wheelchair and parking space outside of Tesco's and then move to somewhere warmer :?: :?: :?:
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by snoopy » Thu May 02, 2019 3:26 pm

Its a buyers market in AUS...right now.

AUS "downturn in home prices is now the largest in percentage terms since the early 1980s" - Businessinsider.com.au
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by HJK 414 » Fri May 03, 2019 9:30 am

Point of interest ?
We now have 2 threads that are starting to merge.
I answered Pebleheads post on "Emigration - lesson's learnt" - but it probably belongs in this thread.

Peblehead wrote: ↑
Fri May 03, 2019 8:52 am
I have read with interest the comments on the prev threads.
Spain UK NZ and so on...

Yet no one mentioned Panama ?
Great Wx, 5000USD buys you a Passport ( now you have both)......

That is a tad optimistic.....
Here is the summary

If you want a second passport - which will open doors …… this is an option.



http://www.escapeartist.com/blog/get-se ... th-africa/


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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by paulw » Fri May 03, 2019 9:50 am

I see there are various options for Portugal besides just the EUR500k investment
In other words it could be more affordable for some from SA.

https://imigrante.sef.pt/en/solicitar/residir/art90-a/ Various Golden Visas including just E250k
https://www.expatica.com/pt/moving/visa ... a-1042263/


On Spain:

Reading this very interesting article, I think at some point in time this might come to an end or on a quota basis.
Others also know about this, not just us :twisted:
https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/11/26/in ... 78100.html
I find this also interesting. I thought you needed EUR500k to invest immediately, but it seems that you need maybe a deposit and steady income?
Applicants will need to have the ability to invest €500,000 or more, without finance, in Spanish property or land.
https://www.urhomeportugal.com/en/blog/ ... -visa_168/


Also:
https://balcellsgroup.com/golden-visa-spain-2019/ Spain Golden Visa


https://www.goldenvisas.com/spain Golden Visa Spain
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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by HJK 414 » Fri May 03, 2019 9:57 am

Paul,

You have copied the same file for Portugal and Spain...... :wink:

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Re: Emigration options

Unread post by paulw » Fri May 03, 2019 10:09 am

HJK 414 wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 9:30 am
Peblehead wrote: ↑
Fri May 03, 2019 8:52 am
I have read with interest the comments on the prev threads.
Spain UK NZ and so on...

Yet no one mentioned Panama ?
Great Wx, 5000USD buys you a Passport ( now you have both)......
Too much crime in Panama
HJK 414 wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 9:30 am

Here is the summary

If you want a second passport - which will open doors …… this is an option.

http://www.escapeartist.com/blog/get-se ... th-africa/


JK
Link broken.

Here is another:
https://corpocrat.com/2016/12/22/30-cou ... vestment/
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Unread post by paulw » Fri May 03, 2019 10:15 am

HJK 414 wrote:
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Paul,

You have copied the same file for Portugal and Spain...... :wink:

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Unread post by HJK 414 » Fri May 03, 2019 10:51 am

paulw wrote:
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http://www.escapeartist.com/blog/get-se ... th-africa/


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Link broken.
Paul,

I did not mention it to go and live there - yet put it in this thread as an option - as a second passport will open a lot of doors for you

Here you go :

Content of link ……

Quote:

Here’s how to get a second residency for citizens of South Africa. If you’re looking for an escape route from the current turmoil, or to move to a more business friendly country, this post on how to get a second residency for citizens of South Africa is a must read.

This article is intended for citizens of South Africa. You must have a valid passport from the government of South Africa to apply for these residency programs. If you do not have a passport from South Africa (because you are not eligible for one or you’re in refugee status), we do not have any options for you.

The number of citizens of South Africa looking to move abroad has increased dramatically in the last few weeks. As South Africa’s political crisis has intensified, and tens of thousands of people joined demonstrations across the country calling for Jacob Zuma to step down, those caught in the crossfire are looking for a solution.

Fortunately, a passport from South Africa is a relatively powerful travel document. As of 1 January 2017, South African citizens had visa-free or visa on arrival access to 98 countries and territories, ranking the South African passport 55th in terms of travel freedom

More importantly, a passport from South Africa entitles you to residency in Panama under their Friendly Nations Reforestation Visa program. This is the lowest cost and most efficient second residency program in the world and available only to those from top tier countries.

Citizens of South African can get residency in Panama with an investment of only $20,000. This compares to an investment of $1.2 million required in Mata, $1 million in Bulgaria, and $500,000 in St. Lucia. This Panama program is absolutely the best for those looking for an exit plan from South Africa.

Panama is a business friendly country. It doesn’t tax foreign source income, only local source income. So, if you’re operating a grocery store in Panama, you pay tax in Panama. If your profits come from businesses and investments outside of Panama, you pay no tax to Panama.

Also, if you operate a business from Panama that sells to foreigners, you pay no tax in Panama. For example, an internet marketing company in Panama selling products or services to customers in the US pays no tax in Panama.

An investment of $20,000 into Panama’s teak reforestation visa program gets you residency. You can live and operate a business from Panama… and the visa covers you, your spouse, and your dependent children under 18 years of age.
•Legal and filing fees apply to each applicant, but the investment amount remains the same for your family unit.

As a resident, you can spend as much or as little time in the country as you like. I suggest you visit at least once a year to keep up appearances, but there is no physical presence requirement to maintain your residency status.

After 5 years of residency you can apply for citizenship. A second passport from Panama is a significant upgrade for someone with a South African passport. Panama gives you visa-free or visa on arrival access to 127 countries and territories, ranking the Panamanian passport 36th in terms of travel freedom.

If you can’t wait the 5 years for a second passport, you might give Nicaragua a look. This country has a $35,000 reforestation visa offer that leads to citizenship after two years. The catch is that you must spend 6 months a year for those two years in Nicaragua. Once you have your passport, you can live wherever you like.

For more on Nicaragua see: The Best Second Residency Program in 2017

If you can’t wait the two years, or you don’t want to live in Nicaragua, a citizen of South Africa can buy a passport from a number of countries. For example, the cost for citizenship in St. Lucia is about $135,000 for a South African. If you don’t want to pay the fee, you can invest $500,000, and pay $50,000, for citizenship and a second passport.

The big difference with St. Luca compared to Panama and Nicaragua is that you’ll get your passport in about 90 days. To put it another way, you can pay cash for a passport from St. Lucia or you can earn your citizenship by becoming a resident of Panama for 5 years or Nicaragua for 2 years.

All of the options above are open to citizens of South Africa. If you’re looking to escape the strife of your home country, decide whether you will buy an escape plan or earn it and then take action.

Note that the demand for these programs has increased dramatically in last couple of weeks. I expect Panama and Nicaragua to cap their programs if this level of demand continues. You must apply quickly if you wish to obtain a second residency from these countries.

We are very experienced in working with clients from South Africa. Please contact me at info@premieroffshore.com or call us at (619) 550-2743 with any questions. All consultations are free and confidential.

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Unread post by snoopy » Fri May 03, 2019 11:53 am

Current population of Panama is 4,215,518 (thats less than the population of Cape Town)
Population density in Panama is 57 people per Km2 (South Africa is 48 people per Km2)
Total land area is 74,340 Km2
68.0 % of the population is urban (2,871,778 people in 2019)
Median age in Panama is 28.7 years
Climate - Hot (day temp 30C approx)
Dry season - from late December to late April.
Rainy season from May to an end of December (no shortage of water)
Panama has 120 volts AC, 60Hz electricity - same as USA
The country generates more power than it can use. 10.60 bn kWh
Vacant beachfront land @ R1 mil per 1000m2, about 280km from Panama City.
Or 1365m2 in Búcaro 380m from the beach for R509,000
Cost of living R21000 to R35 000 per month
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Unread post by paulw » Fri May 03, 2019 9:38 pm

HJK 414 wrote:
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Paul,

I did not mention it to go and live there - yet put it in this thread as an option - as a second passport will open a lot of doors for you

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Unread post by Jack Welles » Mon May 06, 2019 1:26 pm

Scuttlebutt has it that there are interesting opportunities opening up in China for self-employed individuals, eg, attorneys, chartered accountants, management consultants, etc.

Not for the internal Chinese market but catering to the ex-pat and international trade market between China and Africa.

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