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Re: Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 involved in a serious incident during an emergency landing.

Unread post by giarc64 » Wed May 08, 2019 11:56 am

i always wonder what effect a tragedy like this has on surviving captain and cojo.

the heavy burden of command and overall responsibility and accountability.
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Re: Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 involved in a serious incident during an emergency landing.

Unread post by Mfezi » Wed May 08, 2019 3:47 pm

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Wed May 08, 2019 11:33 am
With that amount of flames around the rear of the aircraft, the oxygen would get sucked right out and noxious fumes will incapacitate you very quickly, especially as only the forward doors were open and the idiots in front trying to get their bags out the overhead stowage. Very sad.
There are a large number of witness accounts posted on various Russian news sites. From what I gather, the people who did take suitcases were a very small minority. It also appears that it may not have made a lot of difference - according to some of the last witnesses that got out, no-one came from behind about the 12th row. I think what you describe about the lack of oxygen is exactly what happened - everyone aft of a certain row were overcome almost immediately and did not even attempt to get out.

I'll post a few here - my Russian is fairly good but Dany may be able to provide better translations:
Кирилл Бабаев подчеркивает, что сидящие рядом с ним люди быстро покидали горящий лайнер — никто не занимался спасением своей ручной клади. «У меня в самолете остались и паспорт, и удостоверение адвоката, и кошелек. В руках был только телефон — с ним я и выбежал с борта. Сейчас многие СМИ сообщают, что люди хватали с полок чемоданы и загородили проход остальным. Но я, наоборот, видел, как пассажиры помогали друг другу. Например, одна женщина упала на выходе. Так ее подняли и вывели на трап», — сообщил он.
Kirill Babaev stresses that those people sitting next to him quickly exited the burning airliner - no-one was busy with saving their hand luggage. "I left my passport, attorney's letter and wallet in the aircraft. All I had in my hands was my telephone, with which I ran out of the aircraft. Now many mass media reports that people were grabbing suitcases from the overhead containers and blocked the passage for the rest. However, on the contrary, I saw passengers help each other. For example, one woman fell on the way out. So, they lifted her up and took her to the ramp."
Одним из нескольких пассажиров, спасшихся с последних рядов, стал Олег Молчанов — по словам мужчины, самолет он покинул последним. «Женщины начали кричать на ультразвуке. Нечего пояснять, ор стоял, орали все. После 12-го ряда почти никто не выжил. Я вышел последний за мной с задних рядов не было людей. Те, кто был на передних рядах и не выбрался — угарный газ. Два раза хапнул, и все», — сообщил пассажир.
One of a few passengers who escaped from the back rows was Oleg Molchanov. According to the man's words, he was the last to leave the aircraft. "Woman started to scream in a high pitch. There is nothing to explain, the shouting remained, everyone screamed. After the 12th row almost no one survived. I left last, behind me from the rear rows there were no more people. Those who were in the front rows and who did not get out - carbon monoxide. I grabbed twice, and that was all".

And from another woman who also survived, Marina Sitnikova:
«Никто не думал, что жертв так много. Люди сказали, что задний выход был заблокирован, все выходили через передний. Даже пассажиры с девятого ряда не смогли спастись. Спаслись те, кто сидел в десятом, были счастливчики с двенадцатого, а дальше — никого. Я всех спрашивала, но из хвоста мы никого не видели в числе спасенных: у них выхода не было», — пояснила Ситникова.
"No one thought that there were so many victims. People said that the rear exit was blocked - everyone exited through the front. Even passengers from the 9th row could not escape. Those sitting in the 10th row were saved, there were lucky ones in the 12th, but then - no one. I asked everyone, but we did not see anyone from the tail among the saved: They had no way out"
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Re: Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 involved in a serious incident during an emergency landing.

Unread post by Dragon » Wed May 08, 2019 4:49 pm

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Some witnesses state there was a pile up in row 10 with people grabbing their baggage this would have caused burns and inhalation injury to all behind that point if true.
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Re: Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 involved in a serious incident during an emergency landing.

Unread post by Wingnutter » Wed May 08, 2019 6:27 pm

Dragon wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 4:49 pm
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Some witnesses state there was a pile up in row 10 with people grabbing their baggage this would have caused burns and inhalation injury to all behind that point if true.
I’m guessing red = didn’t make it, green - survived, orange - survived with injuries?
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Re: Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 involved in a serious incident during an emergency landing.

Unread post by Burner » Wed May 08, 2019 6:57 pm

Wingnutter wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 6:27 pm
Dragon wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 4:49 pm
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Some witnesses state there was a pile up in row 10 with people grabbing their baggage this would have caused burns and inhalation injury to all behind that point if true.
I’m guessing red = didn’t make it, green - survived, orange - survived with injuries?
I count 45 red blocks including the cabin attendant who passed away. Isn't the official toll 41?
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Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Wed May 08, 2019 7:06 pm

With sufficient warning fire & rescue services can be positioned in appropriate locations to respond with minimal delay.
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Re: Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 involved in a serious incident during an emergency landing.

Unread post by Dragon » Wed May 08, 2019 9:17 pm

Wingnutter wrote:
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I’m guessing red = didn’t make it, green - survived, orange - survived with injuries?
Sorry guys I'm just passing it on as I found it so I have no answers or explanations, but I would assume so.
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Re: Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 involved in a serious incident during an emergency landing.

Unread post by Aquila » Thu May 09, 2019 4:16 am

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FYI: 24R is still under construction and can not be considered as a usable surface. Last time I saw it a month ago, it was still just a gravel surface.
Ah okay I wouldn’t know what its current status is, I see its NOTAMed as closed until end of May. It is however included on charts with its relevant approaches so I would assume its very near to being usable. Either way I just mentioned that runway to illustrate how big airports can be.
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Unread post by RiNCEw1ND » Sat May 11, 2019 7:15 am

Here's a pretty good read about people removing luggage in an evacuation situation and some other factors to consider: http://www.nycaviation.com/2019/05/emot ... cies/41427
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Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Tue May 14, 2019 11:50 pm

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Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Tue May 14, 2019 11:55 pm

Cabin footage from about 5nm Final up to the second HARD impact

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Re: Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 involved in a serious incident during an emergency landing.

Unread post by Walter105 » Wed May 15, 2019 6:18 am

Romeo E.T. wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 11:55 pm
Cabin footage from about 5nm Final up to the second HARD impact

Don't want to judge before everything is known as to what was going on in the cockpit but at the moment it certainly seems as if the crew caused this with a very bad landing. :(
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Re: Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 involved in a serious incident during an emergency landing.

Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Wed May 15, 2019 2:27 pm

Walter105 wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 6:18 am
Romeo E.T. wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 11:55 pm
Cabin footage from about 5nm Final up to the second HARD impact

Don't want to judge before everything is known as to what was going on in the cockpit but at the moment it certainly seems as if the crew caused this with a very bad landing. :(
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Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Wed May 15, 2019 10:58 pm

enhanced landing sequence

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Unread post by heisan » Thu May 16, 2019 9:30 am

Romeo E.T. wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 10:58 pm
enhanced landing sequence

Interesting how the video skips from a normal looking flare to a nose-first landing?
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