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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by Dragon » Fri May 10, 2019 7:40 pm

So what we know so far: he has crashed into a hill at destination with some flap set and weather was good enough for people to witness it.

At least we will get witness accounts. Can anyone plot the hill in relation to the strip?
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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by WILDTHING » Fri May 10, 2019 7:54 pm

Terrible news. Don't want to mention names yet until official release. Rest peacefully to good friends and great people. Sorry for their son who had to witness this also a keen young pilot.
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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by rouge » Fri May 10, 2019 7:56 pm

Apparently he flew over the field and then turned left and flew into a hill. Weather is not a factor I believe
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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by jvdl » Fri May 10, 2019 7:57 pm

WILDTHING wrote:
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Terrible news. Don't want to mention names yet until official release. Rest peacefully to good friends and great people. Sorry for their son who had to witness this also a keen young pilot.
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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by Dragon » Fri May 10, 2019 8:09 pm

So if I think about it, he makes it all the way to his destination, must be within sight of his runway if they can see him, and then he crashed into a hill with some flaps down? It's not a shoot up unless it was a slow one with a climb into a wingover and a stall/spin?? Unlikely. It's not fuel. It's not engine because he could have managed some attempt at a forced landing, unless he stalled out of it, it's not airframe failure, I cannot find a realistic reason other than loss of control and specifically a stall/spin out of the circuit or possibly from the climb out after an inspection or a shootup (but I'm just keeping options open here I'm not making accusations). So there's my stab at speculation based on what we have at the moment - a stall/spin from the circuit?
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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by Dragon » Fri May 10, 2019 8:13 pm

rouge wrote:
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Apparently he flew over the field and then turned left and flew into a hill. Weather is not a factor I believe
If you know any more, Did he fly over low level and do a low level turn left into the hill? Or is the description very broad?
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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by Walter105 » Fri May 10, 2019 8:18 pm

Low level, turning left, maybe into the sun? Thus not seeing the hill?

From the pics of the wreckage I am not convinced of a stall/spin. That looks like it just flew straight into the hill.
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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by Dragon » Fri May 10, 2019 8:29 pm

Walter105 wrote:
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Low level, turning left, maybe into the sun? Thus not seeing the hill?

From the pics of the wreckage I am not convinced of a stall/spin. That looks like it just flew straight into the hill.
What had me thinking against that was the tree "behind" the left wing which I would have expected the wing to destroy if he went straight in. But these are limited photos- he could have come skidding in from the side, or the tree could've bent and popped back up. I have seen some wondrous things.
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Unread post by jvg075 » Fri May 10, 2019 8:32 pm

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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by Spoke Eagle » Fri May 10, 2019 8:34 pm

Wonder which Lodge. Naboom doesn't have a strip anymore. Many runways west of town in the Waterberg.
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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by Walter105 » Fri May 10, 2019 8:39 pm

Dragon wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 8:29 pm
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Fri May 10, 2019 8:18 pm
Low level, turning left, maybe into the sun? Thus not seeing the hill?

From the pics of the wreckage I am not convinced of a stall/spin. That looks like it just flew straight into the hill.
What had me thinking against that was the tree "behind" the left wing which I would have expected the wing to destroy if he went straight in. But these are limited photos- he could have come skidding in from the side, or the tree could've bent and popped back up. I have seen some wondrous things. image.jpeg
Could be. Unless the impact point was slightly higher and forward and the wreck slid backwards down the hill a little. Rocks are disturbed around the tail pointing "downhill". Blackened rocks and fire damage forward and slightly higher up the hill.
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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by biffvj » Fri May 10, 2019 9:14 pm

Very sad. RIP and condolences to the family. Perhaps a medical emergency cause.
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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by Romeo E.T. » Fri May 10, 2019 10:41 pm

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2019/05/10
Media Statement
South African Police Service
Office of the Provincial Commissioner Limpopo

POLOKWANE - The Police at Mookgopong in the Modimolle Custer have opened a case of inquest after a pilot and his wife died when their light aircraft crashed on the hill next to the Mountain-view Game Lodge, which is situated in the Waterberg District. The incident happened today at about 13:00.

The deceased were identified as Johannes Kemp, aged 77 and his wife Angelina Kemp aged 66 from Volkrust. They were allegedly visiting their son at the said game lodge when the accident happened.

The South African Police Service Search and Rescue Team visited the scene and all other role players were also summoned. The Civil Aviation will investigate the cause of the crash.

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Re: Aircraft Down Nylstroom

Unread post by bobthebuilder » Fri May 10, 2019 11:24 pm

To friends and family, please accept my most sincere condolences for your loss.

The airframe looks somewhat intact which indicates to me that there wasn't a lot of forward energy when it impacted. I would have expected a near vertical impact if it was a stall / spin scenario. From the limited photographic information provided, the damage to the wings and tail section dont really support this. I'm thinking it mushed in, just at or before stall.

Not sure about the suggestion regarding flap position. Damage to the structure post impact could have altered flap position as the airframe deformed, although given his position in the circuit, it's not impossible that flaps were extended. Note how only a small area of the tail section burnt. This was probably fuel draining out to the lowest point. My guess is that the fire started post impact.

Anyone know the location of the wreckage in relation and proximity to the runway? Wind direction too?

Sun in the eyes maybe, but I'm sure he would have seen the terrain at some point as it was stated that conditions were fine.

I'm thinking engine failure.

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