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Crop sprayers using roads

Unread post by jimdavis » Mon May 13, 2019 10:43 am

This is from AVwebFlash. One can only applaud the American attitude to Civil Aviation:

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In the “git ‘er done” spirit of the heartland, a South Dakota county has granted an aerial application company the right to land and take off on county roads to fertilize local fields. Brookings County has been drenched by storms in the critical first few weeks of the growing season and Isaac Wilde, of Wilde Air Service, has been hampered by soft field conditions on the farms he fertilizes from above. “As you know, it’s pretty wet out there right now. We’ve been getting a lot of requests. In Brookings County, there isn’t a whole lot of airports, and the closer we can get to these fields, the cheaper we can make it for the customer. … The closer we can get to the field, the quicker we can get done, the less fuel we burn, the cheaper it is,” the Brookings Register quoted him as saying.

The practical-minded commissioners apparently agreed and passed a motion that will allow Wilde to set his 1972 Thrush down on roads adjacent to his customers’ fields. The ruling allows Wilde “to operate, take off or land an aircraft on any county road in Brookings County for the purpose of servicing said aircraft in preparation for aerial application of chemical or fertilizer materials.” Flaggers will be in place when the roads turn into runways and Wilde assured commissioners his insurance will cover any incidents.
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Re: Crop sprayers using roads

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Mon May 13, 2019 10:47 am

=D> =D> =D> Sanity prevails =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Crop sprayers using roads

Unread post by Iceberg » Mon May 13, 2019 11:12 am

It is commonplace in Alaska:
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Unread post by fvheerden » Tue May 14, 2019 11:45 am

They should make that common practice here as well in rural area's
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Unread post by Rooster » Tue May 14, 2019 11:54 am

Oh shucks!
I thought it was!
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Unread post by HJK 414 » Tue May 14, 2019 12:22 pm

Iceberg wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 11:12 am
It is commonplace in Alaska:

Karl,

They are still practising in Chechnya ……. :D :D



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Unread post by Tim » Tue May 14, 2019 1:53 pm

Is the unthinkable after all no big deal?
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Re: Crop sprayers using roads

Unread post by jvg075 » Tue May 14, 2019 2:49 pm

What follows is off crop sprayer topic but it relates to the issue.

Many moons ago (1979) I spent some time with a SAAF team engaged with the construction of runways on public roads. One I will cherish is the one at Swartwater (now probably riddled with potholes I presume but if you look on Google one can see some markings remaining). As Swartwater I interfaced and became friends with a number of non-SAAF gentlemen who were passionate about the concept - Mr Jock Germishuys (DCA), General Witkop Badenhorst, General Knobel (medical), General Bert Wandrag and Prof Christo Pienaar, the latter who advised on all intricate aspects of the environment. I recall at that stage about 120 public roads had been identified throughout the country of which specific sections had been earmarked to be widened to serve as runways (in those years classified as secret - red file with Secret / Geheim stamped on it so that everyone that saw it instantly became curious :lol: :lol: ). Mr Germishuys was pushing very strongly for budget to have these projects accepted /endorsed by the then DCA under some innovative approval scheme so that these runways could serve General Aviation and be recognised by the Insurance industry. For the SA Army, SAPS Counter Insurgency units and SAMS implementation of the concept was seen as critical to the maintenance of long-term stability. The advantages to tourism were obvious and drew universal support.

I participated in a desktop study and PERT (I simply shudder now to think that all these were done on graph paper and coloured pencils and with the luxury of an HP calculator and Mercator) as part of a comprehensive feasibility study to determine the financial benefits of some of these schemes. The financial and long term benefits by far outweighed the investment in every case. We even had cases where landowners (and not necessarily only those bordering the identified road section) offered to contribute to the construction cost and the provision of supporting infrastructure such as mobile fuel browsers!

Apart from the one at Swartwater, there were some others identified for imminent construction. I stand to be corrected but as far as I know none of the following were done. One was close to Botrivier on the N2 (to serve if I remember correctly crop spraying and air ambulance services on the "other side" of the mountain) as well as a few on the N1 between Bloemfontein and Beaufort West and between the latter and De Doorns to serve mainly air ambulance services. Placement decisions were made in consultation with experienced pilots. Extensive consultations with local district surgeons took place and detailed maps of high-risk areas were compiled based on the criticality of the "golden hour".

We even negotiated and drafted commercial arrangements - for fuel storage and fuel dispensing to be undertaken by bordering landowners; transport to and from local ranchers and guesthouses; VHF radio comms to have been provided so to ensure clearing of the areas should an aircraft approach; CADAC flare path options and security assistance should that be required; specialised training to provide basic information such as wind direction and strength; visibility and QNH. Everything was detailed including approach and departure procedures to have been published! Very sadly the entire scheme became the victim of budget cuts (that was always the favourite excuse not to spend any money for aviation) so it came to a dead end!

The concept temporarily resurfaced during the early 1990's following a study performed by the SAAF Directorate of Management Services in conjunction with the National Productivity Institute and some association formed by tour operators serving developing game ranches especially in the Lowveld and Eastern Cape areas. Given that in some cases gravel runways became unusable during the wet season making use of a dedicated road section runway proved to be a financially viable and safe alternative. But sadly the enthusiasm was yet again short lived as it was sunk by political bureaucracy.
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Re: Crop sprayers using roads

Unread post by Iceberg » Tue May 14, 2019 3:46 pm

I drove along the Swartwater runway in 2016. The runway was not too bad - almost useable, but the rest of that road was horrible - falling apart completely.
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Unread post by Goffel » Tue May 14, 2019 4:03 pm

CC Pocock was the master until he went to the States....now we know why they are allowing it...CC lives there.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Unread post by Broadbandboer » Tue May 14, 2019 4:25 pm

Many years ago we were crop spraying because of excessive rain. After take off en route to the field the aircraft with a full tank experienced a loss of power. He had to dump the load and make an emergency landing on the public road. We pushed the plane off the road into a farm road connecting to the main road completly clear of all traffic. The neccesary parts were flown in to the farm strip and after a couple of hours it was fixed and took of again. It flew back and didn't continue aerial application. We closed the road with vehicles on both ends before it started to taxi.
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Because it was next to the road and nobody was working because of the excess water in the fields. People stopped and we had a roadside braai. Lekker in RSA.




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Unread post by southside » Tue May 14, 2019 4:52 pm

Common sense is not in the SACAA's vocabulary. It's all about closed minded safety safety safety #-o
They will tell you no,and then atleast a year of back and forth paperwork before they decide that it is not suitable...after you have spent I do not know how much :| All the time while a perfectly serviceable aircraft sits on the ground. All work by the AMO's has been signed off. The AMO's have been audited by them and have an AMO certificate. But then they want paperwork from the opperator that is completely unnecessary because that aspect is covered on the maintenance side.
Either give up on there buerocracy and stop flying, or go elsewhere where the governing bodies have more common sense.
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Unread post by blade creep » Tue May 14, 2019 4:55 pm

Broadbandboer wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 4:25 pm
Many years ago we were crop spraying because of excessive rain. After take off en route to the field the aircraft with a full tank experienced a loss of power. He had to dump the load and make an emergency landing on the public road. We pushed the plane off the road into a farm road connecting to the main road completly clear of all traffic. The neccesary parts were flown in to the farm strip and after a couple of hours it was fixed and took of again. It flew back and didn't continue aerial application. We closed the road with vehicles on both ends before it started to taxi.

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Because it was next to the road and nobody was working because of the excess water in the fields. People stopped and we had a roadside braai. Lekker in RSA.

land cruisers x2 , a jean pant with white sneakers, cooler box,braai on the go , where was the branT ??? :lol: :lol: :lol:



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Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Tue May 14, 2019 4:58 pm

There is a stretch of road in the Hoedspruit / Tzaneen/ Phalaborwa area which is widened and had piano keys on it similar to the road in Botswana between Nata and Kasane.
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Re: Crop sprayers using roads

Unread post by Orthin Opter » Tue May 14, 2019 8:42 pm

southside wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 4:52 pm
Common sense is not in the SACAA's vocabulary. It's all about closed minded safety safety safety #-o
SS, I think a correction is required. The CAA,s stated reasons might be safety, safety as you say but the real reason is mindless bureaucracy, total over control and the destruction of the industry they are supposed to support and encourage to grow.
Just think about it, a short 25 years ago CAA had about 76 employees and now they have about 11 times that many and everything takes much longer to do. Is that building the industry? Is that improving safety? Is that increasing mindless bureaucracy? You decide.
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