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Departure & Arrival Briefings

Unread post by Lowaldo » Mon May 13, 2019 12:02 pm

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Would be nice to get some info on DEPARTURE and ARRIVAL briefings please if anyone got some info to share. Preferable "airline" related (BOEING 737 if you want to go into detailed type specific procedures maybe...sorry I'm being selfish) if it would make a difference, otherwise anyone is welcome to share their info - glider to Jet. Guidelines your company uses, but also what you as individual recommend and how you do it. Even with SOP's etc on briefing guidelines, I see ( and hear ) "different" briefings each and every day...and every day I learn something new...Interesting to see the different mindsets, techniques, CRM, what gets mentioned and thought about, or not...My two cents would be...Don't think if it does not get mentioned, its not being thought of / about. ( bit of CRM in there :lol: )

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Re: Departure & Arrival Briefings

Unread post by Ugly Duckling » Mon May 13, 2019 1:10 pm

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Re: Departure & Arrival Briefings

Unread post by AOYB » Mon May 13, 2019 2:03 pm

The airline I’m with is actually flirting with the idea of cutting down on briefings. What has been discovered is the “briefing to check a box” vs briefing what is relevant. So if we are doing the visual into CT vs doing a Cat III in CT it will be 2 very different briefings.

It is being discovered that when the briefing becomes “rote” the other persons switches off and the whole exercise becomes wasted.

But I digress.

We brief practically.
Do we both have the same plate, is what is in the computer (“what we are going to fly”) the same as what the plate says.
Then what are we actually going to do.
Eg: FD off, route to XXXX to stay above this height until that distance. Reset the FD at this point.
Expecting to see this, if we don’t we do this.

And then hazards and threats (without making up threats, but what measures can we take to counter a specific threat. Eg: on approach into Durban on 06, laser activity so we go lights off. Notify ATC and lights on passing xxx DME).

All in all, practical. You can brief till the cows come home or you can brief appropriately and effectively
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Re: Departure & Arrival Briefings

Unread post by Drop The Dunlops » Mon May 13, 2019 2:30 pm

This sums it up pretty well.........

https://flightsafety.org/asw-article/re ... -briefing/
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Re: Departure & Arrival Briefings

Unread post by Diesel-3 » Mon May 13, 2019 10:32 pm

A briefing should be like a woman’s skirt,

Long enough to cover the important bits, but short enough to keep your interest...
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Re: Departure & Arrival Briefings

Unread post by Lowaldo » Thu May 16, 2019 6:44 am

Thanks AOYB, and with regards to the Emergency briefings for TO, how do you manage them?
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Re: Departure & Arrival Briefings

Unread post by Trent772B » Fri May 17, 2019 9:39 am

SAA currently uses N TWO F. I spaced it like for ease of remembering. There is no correct format and most airlines will use a variation of this.

N-Navigation: Taxi out (include hotspots), SID, Eng Inop flight path, STAR, approach brief etc, taxi in.

T- Terrain. You could include specific Threats here if you like.

W-Weather: If weather is benign say so. No need to over brief

O- Operational. MEL, dangerous goods, cargo requirements (heating for livestock or cooling for fresh produce). Type Specific type variances if you fly multi types.

F- Fuel: Make sure you have enough for what you are planning.

The discussion on actions for engine failure before and after V1 will be done before the NTWOF brief starts.

It is worth reading the article below. Briefings can easily become pointless if not done properly.

https://flightsafety.org/asw-article/re ... -briefing/
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Re: Departure & Arrival Briefings

Unread post by AOYB » Fri May 17, 2019 1:10 pm

Lowaldo wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 6:44 am
Thanks AOYB, and with regards to the Emergency briefings for TO, how do you manage them?
The emergency briefing is a touch drill for take off (we say what we are going to do while touching each item (autothrottle, speedbrake, reverse and Public address mike for the captain; airspeed call(60kts), PTT and flaps for the FO. (For the RTO>

Then we review the engine inoperative flight path.
Come up with a safe altitude that keeps us out of paperwork (varies on day to day basis based on weather, traffic terrain MEL etc etc)
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