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Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by skytrooper » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:26 am

Can anyone tell me how can i legally use a vehicle which will be more in a hover category than an aircraft, can i license it as a transport vehicle not an air vehicle.

I can't wait for the CAA to take 5 years to create a category for what essentially will be a just above hovercraft category that will (hover) just a bit higher than a hovercraft and over dams only. It won't interfere with any air traffic whatsoever.

1.It will not go higher than 50ft
2.it will only hover in a 100 meter radius over dams only. Maybe even just 1 dam.
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by heisan » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:42 am

If it only operates in ground effect, then it is not an aircraft, and CAA has no say at all. If it operates out of ground effect, then it is an aircraft, and you have to go through CAA.
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by cage » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:44 am

50ft is a long way out of ground effect.
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by V5 - LEO » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:13 am

....best is to keep it as a hovercraft and when caught, excuse will be that there was a strong updraft - that kind of vehicle will bowl the caa over :shock: :shock:

...good luck! and let the cat out of the bag, show us some pics of this please?
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by cage » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:16 am

V5 - LEO wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:13 am
....best is to keep it as a hovercraft and when caught, excuse will be that there was a strong updraft - that kind of vehicle will bowl the caa over :shock: :shock:

...good luck! and let the cat out of the bag, show us some pics of this please?
Until someone gets hurt or reports you, at which point you end up broke or in die tronk.
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by V5 - LEO » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:28 am

Until someone gets hurt or reports you, at which point you end up broke or in die tronk.


....yeah propably both, it is just utter frustrating what inventors / builders / tinkerers must go through to get new stuff (propably good stuff) in the loop for GA / aviation :idea: :?
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by skytrooper » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:04 pm

V5 - LEO wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:13 am
...good luck! and let the cat out of the bag, show us some pics of this please?
If i can find a way to do it i will post it, first need to see how i could possibly do it without CAA classification. i'm not going to bother any aircraft at all and it will only go over water.
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by Triaan » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:12 pm

Well they are having a blast out of ground effect:
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by cage » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:22 pm

Triaan wrote:
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Well they are having a blast out of ground effect
Not really, that is still "in ground effect", it's the water jet pushing off the water that lifts them, they are also properly tethered to a ground device that's doing the pumping.
Not the same thing by a long shot, That's like saying a scissor-lift needs an aircraft license.
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by heisan » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:45 pm

“aircraft” means any machine that can derive support in the atmosphere from the reactions of the air, other than the reactions of the air against the surface of the earth;
So this excludes, for example:
1) ground effect vehicles
2) rockets/non-air reaction vehicles (like those water jets)
3) ballistic vehicles.

If in any way you can prove that it does not meet this definition, then the CAA has no say over it.

If it does meet the definition, then your only real option would be an exemption application under CAR 11.04 (which may actually be easier than you think, if you engage civilly with the office of the director).
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by JCA » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:45 pm

cage wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:22 pm
Triaan wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:12 pm
Well they are having a blast out of ground effect
Not really, that is still "in ground effect", it's the water jet pushing off the water that lifts them, they are also properly tethered to a ground device that's doing the pumping.
Not the same thing by a long shot, That's like saying a scissor-lift needs an aircraft license.
Then its amazing how all the big jets fly with the jet blast pushing against all the airport buildings. Really Cage?? Talk to a fireman sometime or try a big fire hose.
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by Whirly » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:54 pm

#-o :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by cage » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:26 pm

JCA wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:45 pm
Then its amazing how all the big jets fly with the jet blast pushing against all the airport buildings.
So there is no interaction with the surface that assists with the lifting forces?
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by V5 - LEO » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:56 pm

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So there is no interaction with the surface that assists with the lifting forces?
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....think the concept is very much the same as a jet engine, differance being water, other than air being forced through the nozzles.
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Re: Vehicle classification ?

Unread post by cage » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:36 pm

V5 - LEO wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:56 pm
....think the concept is very much the same as a jet engine, differance being water, other than air being forced through the nozzles.
There is a reason that things that hover require more power to get a bit further away from the surface.
It's almost like the ground has some sort of effect..

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