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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by cx45338 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:56 pm

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Absolutely - Perfect logic . The fact that the CAA did not do this but went off at a tangent and grounded Comair /Kulula immediately tells me that the CAA have another agenda here .
They confirmed my suspicion today by coming up with a non specific finding about process or procedure against Lufthansa and that they have been given the opportunity to fix in the CAAs seemingly statutory few days . Nothing about an engine that was not adequately maintained .
And guess what SAAT were squeeky clean !!!!!
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by Deanw » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:32 pm

22 March 2022: News24
Grounding of Comair has nothing to do with us, says Lufthansa Technik

Findings made by the SA Civil Aviation Authority (SACAA) during an unscheduled audit of Lufthansa Technik Maintenance International (LTMI) are not directly related to the technical problems that led to the temporary grounding of Comair's kulula.com and domestic British Airways flights last week, according to Wolfgang Reinert, head of external communications at Lufthansa Technik AG.

The SACAA suspended Comair flights for five days last week after what the authority termed "a series of incidents". Comair announced on Monday evening that it had shifted maintenance of its aircraft away from LTMI to South African Airways Technical (SAAT).

Up to that point, Comair used both SAAT and LTMI to maintain its aircraft. SAAT was doing heavy maintenance, while Lufthansa Technik provided engineering services and day-to-day aircraft checks.

Comair said it is acting pre-emptively to prevent customer inconvenience.

LTMI is a full and completely independent subsidiary of the Lufthansa Group and has no direct link to Lufthansa Airlines. LTMI operates Lufthansa Technik's maintenance business for customers outside Germany and holds the maintenance contract with Comair.

"A regular audit of LTMI by the SACAA in February did not reveal any major complaints and LTMI's approval was renewed," Reinert said on Tuesday.

SACAA, in turn, confirmed on Tuesday that its audit of LTMI is in the final stages and to date the Approved Maintenance Organisation (AMO) licence has not been suspended.

Reinert said the company has taken note of Comair's decision to implement "a temporary mitigation plan" to safeguard their operations.

"The unscheduled audit the SACAA conducted, which ended recently, produced a low single-digit number of findings. These are currently being clarified between LTMI and SACAA."

On Saturday, one of Comair's British Airways flights from Gqeberha struggled to land at Cape Town International Airport, following an issue with its landing gear.

In mid-February, an engine-related problem forced a kulula.com flight from Lanseria to Cape Town to divert to OR Tambo International and on 21 February a British Airways flight from East London to Johannesburg had to make an emergency landing due to faulty landing gear.

Comair said on Tuesday that, should LTMI's AMO not be suspended or reinstated after suspension, it will have the option of moving its line maintenance back to LTMI.

Comair has been in business rescue since 2020. The Comair Rescue Consortium, comprising several former Comair board members and executives, was chosen as preferred bidder. Comair has indicated that restructuring its balance sheet is ongoing, and funding is still a concern. Last year Comair sold its SLOW Lounge business to FirstRand Bank for R250 million in order to raise funds.
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by Airwayfreak » Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:33 pm

Trent772B wrote:
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GL wrote:
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As long as maintenance is good - is fleet age really a factor?
If that is the case, why do the worlds most reputable airlines spend a lot of money and effort renewing their fleets? And then market this renewal to customers.
I'm with Trent on this. SA just simply cannot compete. A B738 in SA costs the same as a B 738 in the US. We are just a poor country earning rands but paying for everything in dollars.
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by dollar » Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:57 pm

Deanw wrote:
Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:32 pm
22 March 2022: News24
Grounding of Comair has nothing to do with us, says Lufthansa Technik

Findings made by the SA Civil Aviation Authority (SACAA) during an unscheduled audit of Lufthansa Technik Maintenance International (LTMI) are not directly related to the technical problems that led to the temporary grounding of Comair's kulula.com and domestic British Airways flights last week, according to Wolfgang Reinert, head of external communications at Lufthansa Technik AG.

The SACAA suspended Comair flights for five days last week after what the authority termed "a series of incidents". Comair announced on Monday evening that it had shifted maintenance of its aircraft away from LTMI to South African Airways Technical (SAAT).

Up to that point, Comair used both SAAT and LTMI to maintain its aircraft. SAAT was doing heavy maintenance, while Lufthansa Technik provided engineering services and day-to-day aircraft checks.

Comair said it is acting pre-emptively to prevent customer inconvenience.

LTMI is a full and completely independent subsidiary of the Lufthansa Group and has no direct link to Lufthansa Airlines. LTMI operates Lufthansa Technik's maintenance business for customers outside Germany and holds the maintenance contract with Comair.

"A regular audit of LTMI by the SACAA in February did not reveal any major complaints and LTMI's approval was renewed," Reinert said on Tuesday.

SACAA, in turn, confirmed on Tuesday that its audit of LTMI is in the final stages and to date the Approved Maintenance Organisation (AMO) licence has not been suspended.

Reinert said the company has taken note of Comair's decision to implement "a temporary mitigation plan" to safeguard their operations.

"The unscheduled audit the SACAA conducted, which ended recently, produced a low single-digit number of findings. These are currently being clarified between LTMI and SACAA."

On Saturday, one of Comair's British Airways flights from Gqeberha struggled to land at Cape Town International Airport, following an issue with its landing gear.

In mid-February, an engine-related problem forced a kulula.com flight from Lanseria to Cape Town to divert to OR Tambo International and on 21 February a British Airways flight from East London to Johannesburg had to make an emergency landing due to faulty landing gear.

Comair said on Tuesday that, should LTMI's AMO not be suspended or reinstated after suspension, it will have the option of moving its line maintenance back to LTMI.

Comair has been in business rescue since 2020. The Comair Rescue Consortium, comprising several former Comair board members and executives, was chosen as preferred bidder. Comair has indicated that restructuring its balance sheet is ongoing, and funding is still a concern. Last year Comair sold its SLOW Lounge business to FirstRand Bank for R250 million in order to raise funds.
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by Deanw » Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:22 pm

23 March 2022: News24
Aviation watchdog suspends Lufthansa Technik's licence, audits SAAT after Comair 'incidents'

The South African Civil Aviation Authority (SACAA) temporarily suspended Lufthansa Technik Maintenance International's (LTMI) maintenance licence in South Africa on Tuesday evening.

LTMI now has 24 hours to resolve two issues that were identified during an unscheduled audit by SACAA last week.

LTMI is a subsidiary of the Lufthansa Group, which also owns the airline Lufthansa. LTMI operates Lufthansa Technik's maintenance business for customers outside Germany and holds a maintenance contract with Comair.

LMTI said on Tuesday that findings made by the SACAA during the unscheduled audit were not directly related to the technical problems that led to the temporary grounding of Comair's kulula.com and domestic British Airways flights last week.

The SACAA suspended Comair flights for five days last week after what the authority termed "a series of incidents".

The SACAA confirmed on Wednesday that it is busy with an unscheduled audit of South African Airways Technical (SAAT) related to these incidents.

Comair on Monday "pre-emptively" shifted maintenance of its aircraft away from LTMI to SAAT.

Up to that point, Comair used both SAAT and LTMI to maintain its aircraft. SAAT was doing heavy maintenance, while Lufthansa Technik provided engineering services and day-to-day aircraft checks.

In mid-February, an engine-related problem forced a kulula.com flight from Lanseria to Cape Town to divert to OR Tambo International and on 21 February a British Airways flight from East London to Johannesburg had to make an emergency landing due to faulty landing gear.

On Saturday, one of Comair's British Airways flights from Gqeberha experienced landing problems at Cape Town International Airport, following an issue with its landing gear indicator.

"Safety is the top priority for the entire Lufthansa Technik Group. LTMI is, therefore, in permanent exchange with the authorities and has set up a special quality management team to remedy the identified deficiencies sustainably and as quickly as possible," Wolfgang Reinert, head of external communications at Lufthansa Technik AG, told Fin24 on Wednesday.

Comair has been in business rescue since 2020. The Comair Rescue Consortium, comprising several former Comair board members and executives, was chosen as preferred bidder. Comair has indicated that restructuring its balance sheet is ongoing, and funding is still a concern. Last year Comair sold its SLOW Lounge business to FirstRand Bank for R250 million in order to raise funds.
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by Volo » Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:19 pm

Winston Churchill once said and to quote

“ If you make 10000 regulations you destroy all respect for the Law “ .

Our SACAA have created 1088 pages of regulations called SARS which contain about 10000 clauses or regulations . They have also created 1339 pages of Technical standards called CATS with more than 10000 definitions .

Perhaps you can see where I am going with this . If the SACAA are so inclined to want to make a finding against any organization or individual for reasons of their own but couched in the name of safety , it is not going to be very difficult to find one or two regulatory ommisions out of the more than 20 000 of these little gems called rules .

This is what they have just done with Lufthansa and summarily removed their maintenance certificate but these must have been insignificant because they gave them 24 hours to rectify their misdemeanour and if they rectified the matter to their satisfaction it would be business as usual and their certificate would be restored to them . Any failure in their operational procedures that can be rectified in 24 hours cannot be cause to remove their operating certificate .

The CAAs actions were obviously designed to inflict harm on Lufthansa as this immediately creates reputational damage which the CAA would have been well aware of .

As was pointed out in a previous post Lufthansa passed a full CAA Audit a month or so ago ,so by their own actions they have established that that audit was not done correctly by themselves .

This CAA owned one aircraft which they flew illegally in defiance of their own regulations to the point that it was destroyed in an accident taking the lives of the crew and they have the temerity to find someone else wanting with no accidents to answer for . The fact of their own aircraft accident alone should be enough to warrant the removal of the DCA and the sacking of the entire board .

Heres the irony of the whole SAGA - Lufthansa have no choice but to suck it up, so they will be the last people to object to this miserable attempt to discredit them as I leave you to work out how that would go down against an organization that has no checks or balances to their actions .
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by southside » Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:42 pm

I would love to know what the experience is of these auditors at the CAA.

Are they box tickers with no inclination of lateral thought to use common sense, in other words identifying a compliance paperwork issue and separating that from an actual safety issue and not using any non ticked box as an excuse to destroy an industry?

Or are they working constructively with the industry to help it grow and to give advise based on vast amounts of aviation experience that they have, to give advise and input whereby all parties can work together in harmony for a safe and efficient industry?

Genuine question :!:
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by Airwayfreak » Wed Mar 23, 2022 9:27 pm

Volo wrote:
Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:19 pm

The CAAs actions were obviously designed to inflict harm on Lufthansa as this immediately creates reputational damage which the CAA would have been well aware of .
That is quite a statement.
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by GCronselaar » Wed Mar 23, 2022 10:22 pm

Volo wrote:
Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:19 pm
Winston Churchill once said and to quote

“ If you make 10000 regulations you destroy all respect for the Law “ .

Our SACAA have created 1088 pages of regulations called SARS which contain about 10000 clauses or regulations . They have also created 1339 pages of Technical standards called CATS with more than 10000 definitions .

Perhaps you can see where I am going with this . If the SACAA are so inclined to want to make a finding against any organization or individual for reasons of their own but couched in the name of safety , it is not going to be very difficult to find one or two regulatory ommisions out of the more than 20 000 of these little gems called rules .

This is what they have just done with Lufthansa and summarily removed their maintenance certificate but these must have been insignificant because they gave them 24 hours to rectify their misdemeanour and if they rectified the matter to their satisfaction it would be business as usual and their certificate would be restored to them . Any failure in their operational procedures that can be rectified in 24 hours cannot be cause to remove their operating certificate .

The CAAs actions were obviously designed to inflict harm on Lufthansa as this immediately creates reputational damage which the CAA would have been well aware of .

As was pointed out in a previous post Lufthansa passed a full CAA Audit a month or so ago ,so by their own actions they have established that that audit was not done correctly by themselves .

This CAA owned one aircraft which they flew illegally in defiance of their own regulations to the point that it was destroyed in an accident taking the lives of the crew and they have the temerity to find someone else wanting with no accidents to answer for . The fact of their own aircraft accident alone should be enough to warrant the removal of the DCA and the sacking of the entire board .

Heres the irony of the whole SAGA - Lufthansa have no choice but to suck it up, so they will be the last people to object to this miserable attempt to discredit them as I leave you to work out how that would go down against an organization that has no checks or balances to their actions .
I might be wrong on this, but normally the most severe findings need to have a mitigation issued in 24hrs with an implementation plan. Other level 2 findings etc have longer to mitigate and implement...
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by Flaps Up1 » Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:30 am

This is getting pretty damned ridiculous. For SAAT to not have a single finding is ludicrous. I’ve spoken to techs that work there and the place is almost as big a mess as SAA. About 3 months ago a tech in Durban said that Comair were seriously considering pulling all their business away to Lufthansa Technik and would leave them with little to no work in Durban. He then said they would probably force SAA to fly to Durban to ‘give’ them work. I think it’s blatantly obvious this is a ploy to give more business to SAAT.

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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by Ned Yakman » Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:54 am

Has anyone seen or heard the highly-paid head of the SACAA recently? She has been conspicuously absent from the arena around the suspensions of Comair and LTMI. So much for leading from the front, providing clarity and restoring faith and trust in the safety system.
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by Volo » Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:11 pm

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If ever you wanted proof that CAAs suspension of Lufthansas AMO certificate was designed to cause harm to Lufthansa then this was it .
Its simply illogical to suspend its AMO certificate because they failed an audit and within 24 hours to reinstate it because they had fulfilled and corrected their failure .
Any failure you can correct in less than 24 hours cannot be a reason to suspend their certificate .

This action by CAA reveals how comfortable they have become in exercising their powers without recourse when they have overstepped the mark.

They have no regard for the reputational damage they have caused because they (the CAA) have no checks and balances to their powers which are absolute.

Ps . - The original suspension of Comair was by all accounts based primarily on Engine related failures none of which were attributable to Lufthansa as that maintenance was handled by SAAT whom emerged squeeky clean from an audit at the same time as Lufthansa s
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by GLF4 » Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:52 pm

No one picked up in this article that SAAT AMO licence was pulled Friday night, only to be reinstated a few hours later on Saturday morning? I smell a large rat, since a certain aircraft needed to fly to DWC...
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Re: Comair/Kululu flights suspended by CAA - now flying again

Unread post by southside » Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:20 pm

GLF4 wrote:
Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:52 pm
No one picked up in this article that SAAT AMO licence was pulled Friday night, only to be reinstated a few hours later on Saturday morning? I smell a large rat, since a certain aircraft needed to fly to DWC...
Unless the aeroplane went technical, SAA does not need the AMO license to fly, it’s on its own AOC.

That being said, I find it interesting that in the space of 2 weeks, the CAA has grounded 1 airline and 2 AMO’s.

The CAA must be doing a sterling job at protecting the public from an industry which, according to their actions, is on the brink of multiple aluminium showers.

It seems the airline industry is fraught with danger and not as safe as we all thought it was :idea: #-o

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