Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by Wingnutter » Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:54 pm

kosmonooit wrote:
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Can’t vouch for accuracy of attached, but I would certainly bet on suicide - unusual for an FO to have that number of hours which raises flags.

One thing you can be sure of though - the truth will be covered up.
Eish that is one mish mash of misinformation
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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by Wingnutter » Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:45 pm

Interesting:

Can you imagine living in a country where you have to go through a legal process to change jobs?

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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by Raffles » Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:16 pm

When I flew for Sterling Airways, there were some captains that had hit retirement age but stayed on as copilots. I have no idea though if they took a cut in salary. But they were very mentally geared up for it. I was a young-ish captain with a copilot much older with much more experience on some flights, but they never displayed any "I know more than you" attitude nor did they try to be an instructor and would often say "You're the captain, it's up to you". However I'm not sure this is the case here, it seems this guy was demoted so it does give plausibility to the "snapped" theory.
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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by Trent772B » Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:23 pm

Is there evidence the FO was demoted, or was he just in the RHS due to the Chinese over 60 rule?
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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by Raffles » Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:06 am

Trent772B wrote:
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Is there evidence the FO was demoted, or was he just in the RHS due to the Chinese over 60 rule?
Go up a couple of posts one page back, particularly one by Richard Smit
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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by Raffles » Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:10 pm

Update from AvHerald
On Apr 20th 2022 the CAAC released a statement indicating, the preliminary report has been submitted to ICAO. The data restoration of the data of CVR and FDR is still in progress. The aircraft left assigned cruise altitude of 8900 meters at 14:20:55L. At 14:21:40L radar recorded the last position at 3380 meters altitude, speed over ground at 1010 kph at a heading of 117 degrees, the radar signal was lost at that point. The main wreckage was found in a puddle of 45 square meters and a depth of 2.7 meters at position N23.3238 E111.1123 and included horizontal stabilier, vertical tail, left and right engines, left and right wings, fuselage parts, cockpit parts as well as landing gear. Those recovered parts were transported to a warehouse for further analysis. Traces of fire were in the forest surrounding the crash site. The trailing edge of the right winglet was recovered about 12km from the main impact site. Flight and Cabin Crew qualification and certification was without flaw, the aircraft was airworthy with no deferred entries in the tech log, there was no hazardeous cargo on board. Ground based navigation facilities all operated normally, no dangerous weather was forecast for the area when the aircraft departed its cruising altitude. Radio communication with the aircraft was normal until 14:16L (the last radio communication).
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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by kevster » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:47 pm

All “4 corners” found at the crash site so no mid-air breakup. Except for the one winglet that probably got torn off in the dive. The cockpit voice recorder could hold the key to this mystery.
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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by Springbok006 » Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:35 pm

While I am personally still siding toward intentional crash, this accident popped to mind.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_804
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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by Raffles » Tue May 17, 2022 9:18 pm

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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by Vlerkies » Tue May 17, 2022 10:16 pm

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Anyone with a WSJ premium account?



https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-east ... 1652805097
Heres a link to a Forbes article referencing that WSJ report without a paywall.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/madelineha ... 06d27c797c
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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by Wingnutter » Wed May 18, 2022 4:51 am

kosmonooit wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:23 pm
Wingnutter wrote:
Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:00 am
Can’t vouch for accuracy of attached, but I would certainly bet on suicide - unusual for an FO to have that number of hours which raises flags.

One thing you can be sure of though - the truth will be covered up.
Eish that is one mish mash of misinformation
Still waiting for you to elaborate on your statement.
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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by Drewdel » Wed May 18, 2022 6:44 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61488976

BBC is quoting the Wall St Journal stating it is believed to be intentional. 😕
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Re: Boeing 737 Crash in China 2022_03_21

Unread post by GRAHAMW » Thu May 19, 2022 9:28 am

Drewdel wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 6:44 pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61488976

BBC is quoting the Wall St Journal stating it is believed to be intentional. 😕
US officials who analysed data from the black box flight recorders found amid the wreckage said that deliberate input from the cockpit forced the Boeing 737 into its catastrophic dive. The authorities said that the pilots of the plane did not respond to repeated calls from air traffic controllers and nearby planes during the rapid descent.

Chairperson of the National Transportation Safety Board of the US, Jennifer Homendy, said on May 10 that board investigators and Boeing had travelled to China to assist the Chinese investigation. She said that the investigators had not found any safety issues that would require any urgent action.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/c ... 2022-05-18
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