Cropsprayer and Cessna mid-air collision Carltonville

[Wildcat_004]

Walter….you hit the nail on the head. I am surprised it took sooo long.

[blinksonex]

While my son was a student at Onderstepoort, one of his praticals was at Castello Boerdery. He was welcomed on the farm and offered accommodation with the family. Afterwards a received a comprehencive report regarding his work on the farm from Casper.
Condolences to family and friends. RIP

[rudolphschar]

Seems like the same crop sprayer pilot was indeed the pilot of the crop sprayer that hit the young man last year.

[JimmyZ]

Someone suggested that either Botha or Viviers was also the pilot of the crop-sprayer that hit the photographer on the ground. Is that correct?

We seem to be seeing more and more accidents that are associated with photography. Generally pilots pushing things when being filmed.

I think of the Sling that went into the quarry, and this girl in the USA who just crashed her Debonair, and the cowboy in the states who filmed himself bailing out of the Aeronca.

Jim

This certainly seems like a trend is happening , not good at all.

Just an observation, a trend I have noticed for a while is accidents with completely different causes being blamed on photography or videography. While it is certainly possible to be a contributing factor, we all know multiple holes in the cheese needs to line up for such a disaster to happen.

Are we perhaps losing objectivity? Can real learning happen when the hatred/disdain for photo/video (and the younger generation, unrelated to this accident) is clouding our judgement and is possibly causing some confirmation bias?

[taxidriver]

No man, this should not happen whatsoever , unreal and now bereaved families are f..k.com
I just don't accept these type of accidents, like the late Sean with Sling @ Henley and there are many!!!

Thats why its called an ACCIDENT, it was not planned?

[Kiewiet Vlok]

Thanks Jim people forget may be we can save a young live may be we can learn from this. But there is always some with an ax to grind or so close mindset that we get nowhere
They made a huge mistake and pay for it but they are not the mistake :that do not define them !!!

So if there is a young pilot out there that can learn from this total unnecessary accident i am sure they would appreciate it

Also if we see the emotions fly around to the young learn from this be safe plan plan plan and if not for yourself think of the people you leave behind try to make sense of something so tragic and dare i say so so unnecessary

[savas]

No man, this should not happen whatsoever , unreal and now bereaved families are f..k.com
I just don't accept these type of accidents, like the late Sean with Sling @ Henley and there are many!!!

Thats why its called an ACCIDENT, it was not planned?

Apparently it was planned, there was miscommunication of some sort.....the point I am making "aerial photography...leave it up to the pros" and this would not happen.

[savas]

Thanks Jim people forget may be we can save a young live may be we can learn from this. But there is always some with an ax to grind or so close mindset that we get nowhere
They made a huge mistake and pay for it but they are not the mistake :that do not define them !!!

So if there is a young pilot out there that can learn from this total unnecessary accident i am sure they would appreciate it

Also if we see the emotions fly around to the young learn from this be safe plan plan plan and if not for yourself think of the people you leave behind try to make sense of something so tragic and dare i say so so unnecessary

We can't continue learning from same mistakes - cause then we are not learning anything therefore it's all in vain.
I feel you referring to my post, and have an axe to grind!!
I don't know them , I'm simply being objective here and to the point - only then do we get a fright and learn.
What's the point of pussyfooting around this bs that happens time and time again.
What Shaun did (and I knew him ) was BS of the highest order and I will tell him if I meet him one day- don't pussyfoot.

[Mrb13676]

Thanks Jim people forget may be we can save a young live may be we can learn from this. But there is always some with an ax to grind or so close mindset that we get nowhere
They made a huge mistake and pay for it but they are not the mistake :that do not define them !!!

So if there is a young pilot out there that can learn from this total unnecessary accident i am sure they would appreciate it

Also if we see the emotions fly around to the young learn from this be safe plan plan plan and if not for yourself think of the people you leave behind try to make sense of something so tragic and dare i say so so unnecessary

We can't continue learning from same mistakes - cause then we are not learning anything therefore it's all in vain.
I feel you referring to my post, and have an axe to grind!!
I don't know them , I'm simply being objective here and to the point - only then do we get a fright and learn.
What's the point of pussyfooting around this bs that happens time and time again.
What Shaun did (and I knew him ) was BS of the highest order and I will tell him if I meet him one day- don't pussyfoot.

Well said Nic.

[jimdavis]

We can't continue learning from same mistakes - cause then we are not learning anything therefore it's all in vain.

Savas, I don't understand what you are saying here. We absolutely MUST learn from the mistakes of others. Otherwise we are doomed to make them ourselves.

And this is indeed what happens - time and again.

jim

[Davidc]

Thanks Jim people forget may be we can save a young live may be we can learn from this. But there is always some with an ax to grind or so close mindset that we get nowhere
They made a huge mistake and pay for it but they are not the mistake :that do not define them !!!

So if there is a young pilot out there that can learn from this total unnecessary accident i am sure they would appreciate it

Also if we see the emotions fly around to the young learn from this be safe plan plan plan and if not for yourself think of the people you leave behind try to make sense of something so tragic and dare i say so so unnecessary

We can't continue learning from same mistakes - cause then we are not learning anything therefore it's all in vain.
I feel you referring to my post, and have an axe to grind!!
I don't know them , I'm simply being objective here and to the point - only then do we get a fright and learn.
What's the point of pussyfooting around this bs that happens time and time again.
What Shaun did (and I knew him ) was BS of the highest order and I will tell him if I meet him one day- don't pussyfoot.

IIRC there was also a camera used in that fatal flight? Maybe a beat up for a nice video gone wrong?

[savas]

We can't continue learning from same mistakes - cause then we are not learning anything therefore it's all in vain.

Savas, I don't understand what you are saying here. We absolutely MUST learn from the mistakes of others. Otherwise we are doomed to make them ourselves.

And this is indeed what happens - time and again.

jim

What I'm saying Jim, is that it does not seem that we are learning from the SAME mistakes others are making so often, as we should be so that lives are not lost AGAIN for the repetitive mistakes , and I'm
Not necessarily referring purely on this accident .
To me it seems that this accident was uncalled for as flying a crop sprayer does not make you an aerial photographer specialist with the camera- plane as well. Flying low level firstly is inherently dangerous , then add what seems a close formo camera plane in tow- is simply looking for trouble as a midair in this configuration says that it was not properly briefed .
Yea we all do things that we regret afterwards , even me flying loose formo with some buds taking videos - but we brief and it's same level , straight and level .

[jimdavis]

is one of these pilots the same guy who was flying the cropsprayer that hit the photographer on the ground?

jim

[V5 - LEO]

is one of these pilots the same guy who was flying the cropsprayer that hit the photographer on the ground?

jim

......yes uncle Jim

[rudolphschar]

Seems like the same crop sprayer pilot was indeed the pilot of the crop sprayer that hit the young man last year.

@jimdavis, according to this report, yes.