SAA after Business rescue

[jimdavis]

The three aircraft are:
- 2-KMOL, ex-VN-A565
- 2-BINH, ex-VN-A564
- 2-CALC, ex-VN-A577
All three are A320-232s (IAE-powered), and will be the first ever SAA A320s with sharklets.

I wonder if they'll get the updated A350-style billboard logo titles.

I can't wait to see them in full SAA colours.

I hope they can resist patting themselves on the back with a half hour video every time they go from A to B without any serious incidents.

jim

[Airplaneguy9]

I hope they can resist patting themselves on the back with a half hour video every time they go from A to B without any serious incidents.

jim

I don't mean to direct this message at you specifically, rather to the whole thread, but to be honest I don't think that the constant pessimism and negativity when it comes to anything and everything SAA-related is productive to conversation. I've noticed that every single piece of news being shared here will elicit heckling and snark, but little actual engagement beyond that. While it might be fun/give closure to constantly badmouth SAA whenever it's brought up, in the end it doesn't progress anything.

Again I don't want to come off as rude or insulting, but this is just what I'm observing. Or I could just be talking out of my behind again.

[dollar]

While I understand your outlook. The fact remains that SAA is there and it operates. Unless the current government has some kind of epiphany or we get a new government with 2 braincells instead of 1 SAA will unfortunately stay. One can only hope they will shut down again and then this Apartheid dinosaur will stay dead.

Has anyone else smirked at the irony of their re-started Perth flights? You create a situation in your own country so that a large proportion of the mobile class moves overseas and many of them end up in Perth. You then specificly target that as a route because there is so much traffic to and fro.

Well you could say the same about airlines serving the Middle East from Pakistan, India and the Philippines.

Indeed I could, but I live in SA and need to visit Perth from time to time

[jimdavis]

I hope they can resist patting themselves on the back with a half hour video every time they go from A to B without any serious incidents.

jim

I don't mean to direct this message at you specifically, rather to the whole thread, but to be honest I don't think that the constant pessimism and negativity when it comes to anything and everything SAA-related is productive to conversation. I've noticed that every single piece of news being shared here will elicit heckling and snark, but little actual engagement beyond that. While it might be fun/give closure to constantly badmouth SAA whenever it's brought up, in the end it doesn't progress anything.

Again I don't want to come off as rude or insulting, but this is just what I'm observing. Or I could just be talking out of my behind again.

Airplaneguy, I appreciate your polite and delicate handling of this issue. It's a very emotional topic for the millions of South Africans who have seen our once-proud, world-class airline destroyed by greed and incompetence. Not only have we witnessed the decay but every one of us has physically paid for it out of pocket.

On a personal note, the the hard-won careers of my children have been trashed - they were both long-serving pilots for SAA. My daughter was the captain of countless overseas flights, while my son flew all over the world as first officer. No one found this sufficiently remarkable to make back-slapping, band-playing, flag-waving, fire-hose-swuirting videos about these ordinary kids doing their jobs safely and competently.

So please excuse me if I am one of South Africans who find these death-rattle twitches to be less than praiseworthy.

jim

[Volo]

I hope they can resist patting themselves on the back with a half hour video every time they go from A to B without any serious incidents.

jim

I don't mean to direct this message at you specifically, rather to the whole thread, but to be honest I don't think that the constant pessimism and negativity when it comes to anything and everything SAA-related is productive to conversation. I've noticed that every single piece of news being shared here will elicit heckling and snark, but little actual engagement beyond that. While it might be fun/give closure to constantly badmouth SAA whenever it's brought up, in the end it doesn't progress anything.

Again I don't want to come off as rude or insulting, but this is just what I'm observing. Or I could just be talking out of my behind again.

Airplaneguy, I appreciate your polite and delicate handling of this issue. It's a very emotional topic for the millions of South Africans who have seen our once-proud, world-class airline destroyed by greed and incompetence. Not only have we witnessed the decay but every one of us has physically paid for it out of pocket.

On a personal note, the the hard-won careers of my children have been trashed - they were both long-serving pilots for SAA. My daughter was the captain of countless overseas flights, while my son flew all over the world as first officer. No one found this sufficiently remarkable to make back-slapping, band-playing, flag-waving, fire-hose-swuirting videos about these ordinary kids doing their jobs safely and competently.

So please excuse me if I am one of South Africans who find these death-rattle twitches to be less than praiseworthy.

jim

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Well said Jim . The brutal racial bias shown to their Aircrew when they decided to rescue their beleagured airline is very seldom given any public airing and this act alone should have been enough to block any attempt to resurrect them .
They then followed this up by continually abusing every government agency to keep them going .
Absolutely no private company would have survived such abuse of these institutions.
They try and paint a picture of credibility by inventing some cock and bull story of intended privatization that they never intended to implement in the first place .
They start up SAA V2 - actually the same V1 with no credible management with no plan and before they have even been able to stem ongoing losses they begin international operations with by all accounts ONE OLD Inefficient long haul aircraft .
Our location at the tip of Africa does not make us an ideal.location for international operations . It's all a bit of a joke and a delusional dream at our ( Tax payers ) expense and competes unfairly against our own private airlines in its local operations.
With all this some of us think they should be given a chance - where have those people been living these last 10 years - under a rock.

[Volo]

I am going to add a little more to this saga.
Depending on who you talk to SAA has cost something like R53 000 000 000 ( that's Billion folks ) over the last 20 years .That computes to R10 000 that you as a taxpayer have contributed to this miserable excuse of an airline and none of it the fault of their dedicated and professional aircrew that they threw out like the trash.

[Whirly]

I am going to add a little more to this saga.
Depending on who you talk to SAA has cost something like R53 000 000 000 ( that's Billion folks ) over the last 20 years .That computes to R10 000 that you as a taxpayer have contributed to this miserable excuse of an airline and none of it the fault of their dedicated and professional aircrew that they threw out like the trash.

Volo,

How do you get R10 000 per taxpayer? There are only 7.3m taxpayers (just over 4m of them, pay 90% of the total)

Whirly.

[Mouser]

I hope they can resist patting themselves on the back with a half hour video every time they go from A to B without any serious incidents.

jim

I don't mean to direct this message at you specifically, rather to the whole thread, but to be honest I don't think that the constant pessimism and negativity when it comes to anything and everything SAA-related is productive to conversation. I've noticed that every single piece of news being shared here will elicit heckling and snark, but little actual engagement beyond that. While it might be fun/give closure to constantly badmouth SAA whenever it's brought up, in the end it doesn't progress anything.

Again I don't want to come off as rude or insulting, but this is just what I'm observing. Or I could just be talking out of my behind again.

There are other better comments related to this but my Zim 2c is that the ANC relies on most of SA to be polite, understanding and not complain when we are raped of our taxes. All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to remain silent. You choose.

[ZX357]

https://havasosyalmedya.com/sunexpressi ... am-edecek/

SunExpress's Cooperation with South African Airways Will Continue with 4 Airplanes

SunExpress continues its cooperation with South African Airways. In this context, it is doubling the rental capacity it provides to South African Airways in the 2024/2025 winter season.
SunExpress and SAA had a 6-month dump-lease agreement that started last October and covered two Boeing 737-800 aircraft, as well as maintenance and cockpit teams. With the new agreement, SunExpress will support SAA's operations with 4 aircraft in the next winter season.

[GL]

Gotta love that its a 'dump lease'

[Whirly]

Gotta love that its a 'dump lease'

What does that mean?

Whirly.

[ZX357]

Gotta love that its a 'dump lease'

What does that mean?

Whirly.

The site is original in Turkish, so it's a translation error of damp

[Aerodon]

Gotta love that its a 'dump lease'

What does that mean?

Whirly.

The site is original in Turkish, so it's a translation error of damp

So the fuel tanks are damp, not wet?

Aerodon

[ZX357]

A damp/wet aircraft lease simply means that aircraft along with it's crew are being leased on the other hand a a dry lease is only the aircraft

[Whirly]

A damp/wet aircraft lease simply means that aircraft along with it's crew are being leased on the other hand a a dry lease is only the aircraft

Thanks. I mistakenly always thought "wet lease" meant an hourly rate, fuel included, and a "dry lease" the rate, excluding fuel.

Whirly.