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Re: SAAF Canberras?

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paulw wrote:Thx Walter105. So couldn't we just strip some for spares and bought old stock from other countries?
Wouldn't that have been cheaper?

I know sometimes operating cost of older equipment is more than new for example the airline fleet on fuel burn alone.
So maybe it made sense to go the route SA did.....
In the case of the Canberra, no sense in doing that. Our fleet was too small and the role of the Canberra too limited for it to make sense to keep them.

Mirage F1, not a multirole fighter, so although technically we could have done that, also not economically feasible.

The Cheetah, we could strip air frames (and did) and could still acquire most of the spares needed to keep them flying. Economics, politics and operational needs weighed in on the decision to replace them.
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<...the last landing of a Canberra at Ysterplaat, which was preceded by a slow roll right over the airfield!>

That must have been very sad and quite emotional, Juliet! (Nice post, BTW)
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Something like this I suppose 8)
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Negative: no slow rolls there, LegalEagle: nor any sort of roll at all...(just a few steep turns during flypast, as far as I can see?)
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Haha, I tried 8-[
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Thanks for the info and pics of the sale of the SAAF Canberras to Peru. I was curious on what happened to them so I did a quick look around the Airforce bases in Peru on google and found some of them at Pisco in Peru. I counted 12 Canberras parked around the airfield at Pisco. See attached pic. I wonder how many of the ex SAAF ones are here? Some of them look like they have been stored prior to scraping but I could be wrong.

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There was only one which was modified and fitted out with 10" x 10" cameras which I worked on as a photographer (air) when I was in the SAAF back in 1972. Did that one also go to Peru?

I guess these days the okes just stick a GoPro onto a Gripen. 8)
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I moved boxes around in my store room and found this (used) starting cartridge of the Canberra.
Brings back memories from long ago :roll:
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What is the story about the Cannie that crashed near Cape Town? It was privately owned.
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Mauler wrote:...
I guess these days the okes just stick a GoPro onto a Gripen. 8)
Although that was said in jest, the Hawk Mk120 at AFB Overberg actually did have five GoPro cameras fitted for weapons trials. The SAAF & Denel were looking for a cost-effective way to film weapons releases in high definition without using a chase plane so they designed glass/epoxy composite fairings to house the cameras. Three were placed on the vertical fin looking forward and to either side, one in a fairing on the left wing missile rail and the other under the belly.

Here's a photo of the left wing fairing:
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As for the Gripen, 2 Squadron actually has the choice of two systems. The first is the Thales Digital Joint Reconnaissance Pod, which is a 250 kg multi-camera high-resolution wide field-of-view reconnaissance pod capable of real-time data downlinking. It was first used operationally during the 2010 World Cup.

The second option, also first used operationally during the World Cup, is the 200kg LITENING III targeting and reconnaissance pod. It does not have as wide a field-of-view as the DJRP, but has a set of very good stabilised cameras, a FLIR that can be projected onto the pilot's helmet mounted display and a laser designator for the SAAF's Paveway II laser-guided bombs.

Back to the Canberra, this explains why there's no longer a need for dedicated bomber or reconnaissance aircraft for a smaller air force like ours, as modern multi-role fighter jets are able to perform the same roles.

The Gripen already has all the necessary capabilities ready, all the SAAF needs is aerial refuelling aircraft to allow for extended or long-range operations and the funding to fly them as much as they originally planned to, build up sufficient stocks of weaponry and keep the pilots current on all aspects of combat operations.
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Darren wrote: The Gripen already has all the necessary capabilities ready, all the SAAF needs is aerial refuelling aircraft to allow for extended or long-range operations and the funding to fly them as much as they originally planned to, build up sufficient stocks of weaponry and keep the pilots current on all aspects of combat operations.
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Just a quickie, the Canberra trainers we had were 3 seaters with 2x jump seats, 1in the back & 1in front left. The hatch was on the right hand side. Were there ever 3 in the plane at any time, & did the copilot have to exit via the hatch? To get to the rear (nav) seat, the front right had to swivel upwards to allow the guy to climb in. I've been looking hard at the nose section here at Ysterplaat.
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BvW wrote:What is the story about the Cannie that crashed near Cape Town? It was privately owned.
Yes, indeed. I thought that was an ex-SAAF Canberra.

Low level aeros, if I recall correctly.
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kudu177 wrote:
BvW wrote:What is the story about the Cannie that crashed near Cape Town? It was privately owned.
Yes, indeed. I thought that was an ex-SAAF Canberra.

Low level aeros, if I recall correctly.

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=48411

Was not an ex-SAAF Canberra.
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