Bombardier CL601 Challenger crash in Mexico

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Re: Bombardier CL601 Challenger crash in Mexico

Unread post by Bearcat » Tue May 07, 2019 6:39 pm

To note in the link is the pic of the co-pilot with seven bars on each epaulet :shock:
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Re: Bombardier CL601 Challenger crash in Mexico

Unread post by Dragon » Tue May 07, 2019 7:09 pm

Sea Rescue wrote:
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Sad, but true - I wonder what caused that flight attitude to arise ??
This:-
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In some ways (but don't get carried away) similar to AF447 scenario. They may have tried to outclimb weather, stalled in coffin corner, deep stalled or spun all the way down, possibly exacerbated if they picked up icing for some unknown reason (wings/probes or both). See my first post.
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Re: Bombardier CL601 Challenger crash in Mexico

Unread post by Sea Rescue » Wed May 08, 2019 2:32 pm

Hi Dragon,
Thanks, the "weather" explains much, as to my knowledge, Mexico, like other hot & dry place is prone to severe storms. Nothing like a "Down-Burst" in a serious storm to get an aircraft into all sorts of dangerous attitudes - from which timeous recovery could become impossible ??

The impact picture definitely "tells and reveals" a story. Thanks for the storm input - I personally think that explains a lot. The CVR and the FDR may be able to prove what we think happened.
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Re: Bombardier CL601 Challenger crash in Mexico

Unread post by jimdavis » Thu May 09, 2019 11:53 pm

Methinks Johann has it right as usual 8)

Could this have been a single pilot operation? With the 7 striper serving both front seats and the two ladies making a total of 3 crew?

I wouldn't be in a hurry to get in an aeroplane with the 7 striper in any case.

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Re: Bombardier CL601 Challenger crash in Mexico

Unread post by richard C » Fri May 10, 2019 8:35 am

I think the seven-striper is just having a laugh in the photo - he clearly has two sets of epaulettes buttoned on. Clearly very proud to be a pilot, not an attitude I can really fault.
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Re: Bombardier CL601 Challenger crash in Mexico

Unread post by danie.e » Fri May 10, 2019 11:19 am

Actually he has the Captains' on - they were obviously just fooling around during the photo "session"
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Re: Bombardier CL601 Challenger crash in Mexico

Unread post by jimdavis » Fri May 10, 2019 3:22 pm

Richard and Danie, I think you misunderstood me. I was wondering if his fooling around was to indicate that he was both captain and co-pilot. Hence my question about pilot crew ops, which no one has answered.

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Re: Bombardier CL601 Challenger crash in Mexico

Unread post by Deanw » Fri May 10, 2019 5:22 pm

Jim, I think you may be misunderstanding.

The link posted by Bearcat clearly states that the crew consisted of two pilots and another, presumably the cabin attendant.

Others have stated that it is their opinion that the 'seven bars' was a stunt for a joke photo, taken at some other time.
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Re: Bombardier CL601 Challenger crash in Mexico

Unread post by MemyselfandI » Sat May 11, 2019 9:36 am

From prune the consensus of opinion is that they flew it out of the envelope, too high, and it stalled in.
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Re: Bombardier CL601 Challenger crash in Mexico

Unread post by richard C » Mon May 13, 2019 8:30 am

MemyselfandI wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 9:36 am
From prune the consensus of opinion is that they flew it out of the envelope, too high, and it stalled in.
Ummm, reminiscent of those two youngesters who did the same to a Bombadier Commuter Jet on a repositioning flight. Took it up to nearly 50 000 feet IIRC (or something equally ridiculous), melted the cores and could not restart. Did not hold the nose down long enough to get the necessary RPM for a restart. Crashed into houses.

But they didn't stall it all the way into the ground. I think they glided as far as they could get, and crashed power-off.
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