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Re: SAA after Business rescue

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jimdavis wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 9:16 pm
ZX357 wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 4:42 pm https://youtu.be/M9LfeEwanp0?si=8hFPgKDhM3SbKtdW

An in depth video by Flight radar 24 about the inaugural relaunch and flight to Perth
Sorry I don't get it. What's the big deal about this particular flight? I thought SAA V2 has operated a number of other international and intercontinental flights since covid.

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This was the first SAA v2 flight to Perth on Apr 28.
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Re: SAA after Business rescue

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Airplaneguy9 wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 12:02 pm
jimdavis wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 9:16 pm
ZX357 wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 4:42 pm https://youtu.be/M9LfeEwanp0?si=8hFPgKDhM3SbKtdW

An in depth video by Flight radar 24 about the inaugural relaunch and flight to Perth
Sorry I don't get it. What's the big deal about this particular flight? I thought SAA V2 has operated a number of other international and intercontinental flights since covid.

jim
This was the first SAA v2 flight to Perth on Apr 28.
As Jim said, so what? Unless they were surprised they actually made it.

Again we are celebrating mediocrity, start up a network like Eithiopian or Emirates - that’s something to celebrate not something that was done decades ago by essentially the same company.
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Flaps Up1 wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 1:25 pm As Jim said, so what? Unless they were surprised they actually made it.

Again we are celebrating mediocrity, start up a network like Eithiopian or Emirates - that’s something to celebrate not something that was done decades ago by essentially the same company.
I highly doubt SAA can or will start a network like ET or EK. It's not what they're planning to do.

Personally I think that any airline starting (or restarting) flights to a particular destination, especially internationally, is always an achievement, but I can see why people wouldn't necessarily care, especially when it comes to SAA.
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Airplaneguy9 wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:56 pm
Flaps Up1 wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 1:25 pm As Jim said, so what? Unless they were surprised they actually made it.

Again we are celebrating mediocrity, start up a network like Eithiopian or Emirates - that’s something to celebrate not something that was done decades ago by essentially the same company.
I highly doubt SAA can or will start a network like ET or EK. It's not what they're planning to do.

Personally I think that any airline starting (or restarting) flights to a particular destination, especially internationally, is always an achievement, but I can see why people wouldn't necessarily care, especially when it comes to SAA.
I wasn’t suggesting they start a network like EK, they don’t and never will have the capability or the need. My comment was aimed at what would warrant the continuous celebrations they have for events that are merely a fart in the wind (compared to what SAA was capable of) and achieved on the back of the taxpayer. Privatize 100%, stand on your own two feet and fly long haul - yeah then we can talk. Not this, especially with such infamous individuals on the flight deck in a klapped out 340.
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Re: SAA after Business rescue

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Flaps Up1 wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 6:52 pm
Airplaneguy9 wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 3:56 pm
Flaps Up1 wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 1:25 pm As Jim said, so what? Unless they were surprised they actually made it.

Again we are celebrating mediocrity, start up a network like Eithiopian or Emirates - that’s something to celebrate not something that was done decades ago by essentially the same company.
I highly doubt SAA can or will start a network like ET or EK. It's not what they're planning to do.

Personally I think that any airline starting (or restarting) flights to a particular destination, especially internationally, is always an achievement, but I can see why people wouldn't necessarily care, especially when it comes to SAA.
I wasn’t suggesting they start a network like EK, they don’t and never will have the capability or the need. My comment was aimed at what would warrant the continuous celebrations they have for events that are merely a fart in the wind (compared to what SAA was capable of) and achieved on the back of the taxpayer. Privatize 100%, stand on your own two feet and fly long haul - yeah then we can talk. Not this, especially with such infamous individuals on the flight deck in a klapped out 340.
While I understand where you are coming from. A lot of airlines celebrate things they done before. Yet EK celebrated their first A380 flight to CDG during COVID. So did Lufthansa when they started A380 ops again. It is called marketing and making sure the flight public knows that "Hey we are back to destination X or we are flying again with aircraft x"
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I thought there was going to be a future for SAA V2, the original V2 which meant stepping towards privatization, but honestly, I find it extremely difficult to get excited about celebration flights or any other achievement when I know the PAYE deducted from my income is supplementing the airline.

I have such a negative outlook to SAA, that I honestly wouldn't fly on SAA, under any circumstances.

It needs to operate self-sufficiently, without government intervention.
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I see a Pacific Airlines, still in full colours and titles, A320 registered 2-KMOL belonging to China Aircraft Leasing Company landed at JNB yesterday afternoon. Wonder if it's for SAA?
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GLF4 wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 11:41 am I see a Pacific Airlines, still in full colours and titles, A320 registered 2-KMOL belonging to China Aircraft Leasing Company landed at JNB yesterday afternoon. Wonder if it's for SAA?
Probably, according to this article
https://www.airfinancejournal.com/data/ ... -24-2xa320
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Jasondn78 wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 8:09 pm I thought there was going to be a future for SAA V2, the original V2 which meant stepping towards privatization, but honestly, I find it extremely difficult to get excited about celebration flights or any other achievement when I know the PAYE deducted from my income is supplementing the airline.

I have such a negative outlook to SAA, that I honestly wouldn't fly on SAA, under any circumstances.

It needs to operate self-sufficiently, without government intervention.
While I understand your outlook. The fact remains that SAA is there and it operates. Unless the current government has some kind of epiphany or we get a new government with 2 braincells instead of 1 SAA will unfortunately stay. One can only hope they will shut down again and then this Apartheid dinosaur will stay dead.
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Joker11 wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 1:29 pm
Jasondn78 wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 8:09 pm I thought there was going to be a future for SAA V2, the original V2 which meant stepping towards privatization, but honestly, I find it extremely difficult to get excited about celebration flights or any other achievement when I know the PAYE deducted from my income is supplementing the airline.

I have such a negative outlook to SAA, that I honestly wouldn't fly on SAA, under any circumstances.

It needs to operate self-sufficiently, without government intervention.
While I understand your outlook. The fact remains that SAA is there and it operates. Unless the current government has some kind of epiphany or we get a new government with 2 braincells instead of 1 SAA will unfortunately stay. One can only hope they will shut down again and then this Apartheid dinosaur will stay dead.
Has anyone else smirked at the irony of their re-started Perth flights? You create a situation in your own country so that a large proportion of the mobile class moves overseas and many of them end up in Perth. You then specificly target that as a route because there is so much traffic to and fro. :-) :-) :-)
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GLF4 wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 11:41 am I see a Pacific Airlines, still in full colours and titles, A320 registered 2-KMOL belonging to China Aircraft Leasing Company landed at JNB yesterday afternoon. Wonder if it's for SAA?
Probably to replace the gone A319s. Anyone know what the reg will be?
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SAA to add 3 new Aircraft
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SAA adds three planes to its fleet
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·14 May 2024

South Africa’s embattled national airline SAA has taken delivery of three aircraft from China Aircraft Leasing Group (CALC).

The 2016-vintage A320CEO aircraft were part of Vietnamese airline Pacific Airlines’ fleet before being redelivered to SAA, the group said.

“By initiating a partnership with South Africa’s flag carrier as a new client, the delivery showcases CALC’s dedication to broadening its presence across the African continent and illustrates a globalised business, especially within the southern hemisphere,” it said.
https://businesstech.co.za/news/busines ... its-fleet/
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The three aircraft are:
- 2-KMOL, ex-VN-A565
- 2-BINH, ex-VN-A564
- 2-CALC, ex-VN-A577
All three are A320-232s (IAE-powered), and will be the first ever SAA A320s with sharklets.

I wonder if they'll get the updated A350-style billboard logo titles.
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Re: SAA after Business rescue

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dollar wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 10:24 am
Joker11 wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 1:29 pm
Jasondn78 wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 8:09 pm I thought there was going to be a future for SAA V2, the original V2 which meant stepping towards privatization, but honestly, I find it extremely difficult to get excited about celebration flights or any other achievement when I know the PAYE deducted from my income is supplementing the airline.

I have such a negative outlook to SAA, that I honestly wouldn't fly on SAA, under any circumstances.

It needs to operate self-sufficiently, without government intervention.
While I understand your outlook. The fact remains that SAA is there and it operates. Unless the current government has some kind of epiphany or we get a new government with 2 braincells instead of 1 SAA will unfortunately stay. One can only hope they will shut down again and then this Apartheid dinosaur will stay dead.
Has anyone else smirked at the irony of their re-started Perth flights? You create a situation in your own country so that a large proportion of the mobile class moves overseas and many of them end up in Perth. You then specificly target that as a route because there is so much traffic to and fro. :-) :-) :-)
Well you could say the same about airlines serving the Middle East from Pakistan, India and the Philippines.
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Airplaneguy9 wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 10:11 am The three aircraft are:
- 2-KMOL, ex-VN-A565
- 2-BINH, ex-VN-A564
- 2-CALC, ex-VN-A577
All three are A320-232s (IAE-powered), and will be the first ever SAA A320s with sharklets.

I wonder if they'll get the updated A350-style billboard logo titles.
I can't wait to see them in full SAA colours.
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