Airline fleet changes

[Airplaneguy9]

I vote that we list all changes to the fleets of airlines within South Africa here, kinda like how this topic on additions to the FlySafair 737-800 fleet worked.

Anyway, I'll start this off by saying the last thing posted there: ZS-ZWO is now with SFR:

[Caravan Driver]

I vote that we list all changes to the fleets of airlines within South Africa here, kinda like how this topic on additions to the FlySafair 737-800 fleet worked.

Anyway, I'll start this off by saying the last thing posted there: ZS-ZWO is now with SFR:

Rather call it additions? Fleet change would suggest operating another type/ manufacturer. Lekker thread though!

[Ollo]

To my knowledge they have also acquired a few from Mango.

[Ray W]

To my knowledge they have also acquired a few from Mango.

Yes they have. ZS-SJG being one of them

[FoxTROT]

To my knowledge they have also acquired a few from Mango.

Yes they have. ZS-SJG being one of them

Was this photo taken at SAA Tech or Safair Tech? Which A340(?) is in the shot and what happened to the area around the door?

[117]

To my knowledge they have also acquired a few from Mango.

Yes they have. ZS-SJG being one of them

That must burn government's rear end nicely - some of their "fleet" heading off to be operated by the private competitors

[marius scheepers]

To my knowledge they have also acquired a few from Mango.

Yes they have. ZS-SJG being one of them

That must burn government's rear end nicely - some of their "fleet" heading off to be operated by the private competitors

I am let to believe that it was an end of lease return as these were originally leased from SAFAIR even before they started operating FLYSAFAIR.

Just what I heard, could be wrong!

[117]

Yes they have. ZS-SJG being one of them

That must burn government's rear end nicely - some of their "fleet" heading off to be operated by the private competitors

I am let to believe that it was an end of lease return as these were originally leased from SAFAIR even before they started operating FLYSAFAIR.

Just what I heard, could be wrong!

Must burn to not be able to renew after the EOL then, thats probably after first right of renewal et al.

Politics aside, great thread though

[marius scheepers]

Maybe ....just ....maybe SAFAIR was playing the long game here, finance the aircraft on behalf of SAA/Mango, get them back after end of lease nicely serviced and probably all paid for, so no leasing costs just operational costs and you have a pretty decent 737-800, so now they can get rid of the -400's, and soon have a fleet similar to Comair.

[Burner]

Maybe ....just ....maybe SAFAIR was playing the long game here, finance the aircraft on behalf of SAA/Mango, get them back after end of lease nicely serviced and probably all paid for, so no leasing costs just operational costs and you have a pretty decent 737-800, so now they can get rid of the -400's, and soon have a fleet similar to Comair.

They pretty much already do!! 21 737's, 6 -400's and the rest 800's. Comair as a whole have around 23. But that was pre business rescue, and I think a few will be/have already been returned to lessors.

ZS-SJR, S, T, U, V are all Safair/ASL owned, that were originally leased to SAA and then some to Mango then moved to FlySafair. ZS-SJG,H, K are owned by third parties. Carlyle Aviation Partners and Macquarie AirFinance are what I can see online.

[Airplaneguy9]

SJK also heading off to Safair according to planespotters.net (edit: already stated 30 seconds before I posted, dang ). I swear Safair is going to own every 737-800 in existence at this point.

What's ZWT doing in the background of the SJG pic? Or is that ZWO pre-painting?

[Airplaneguy9]

Rather call it additions? Fleet change would suggest operating another type/ manufacturer. Lekker thread though!

I also intended the thread to post any aircraft that are leaving fleets as well, maybe I'll change it to additions

They pretty much already do!! 21 737's, 6 -400's and the rest 800's. Comair as a whole have around 23. But that was pre business rescue, and I think a few will be/have already been returned to lessors.

ZS-SJR, S, T, U, V are all Safair/ASL owned, that were originally leased to SAA and then some to Mango then moved to FlySafair. ZS-SJG,H, K are owned by third parties. Carlyle Aviation Partners and Macquarie AirFinance are what I can see online.

Are SJW and the FG's just normal second-hand aircraft that were bought as well?

[Burner]

Rather call it additions? Fleet change would suggest operating another type/ manufacturer. Lekker thread though!

I also intended the thread to post any aircraft that are leaving fleets as well, maybe I'll change it to additions

They pretty much already do!! 21 737's, 6 -400's and the rest 800's. Comair as a whole have around 23. But that was pre business rescue, and I think a few will be/have already been returned to lessors.

ZS-SJR, S, T, U, V are all Safair/ASL owned, that were originally leased to SAA and then some to Mango then moved to FlySafair. ZS-SJG,H, K are owned by third parties. Carlyle Aviation Partners and Macquarie AirFinance are what I can see online.

Are SJW and the FG's just normal second-hand aircraft that were bought as well?

Yes, that's what I can see. They come from a mixture of leasing companies. Carlyle, Aircastle, and Avolon.

Interesting that ZS-FGA is their oldest 738-800... and it's basically the identical age as their youngest 737-400 ZS-JRM. Their first flights were only 2 days apart at Renton!

[Airplaneguy9]

Dang, SA airlines have one of the oldest 738s and A320s, that's insane

[Ray W]

To my knowledge they have also acquired a few from Mango.

Yes they have. ZS-SJG being one of them

Was this photo taken at SAA Tech or Safair Tech? Which A340(?) is in the shot and what happened to the area around the door?

Taken by a friend at SAAT. That could be the old Air Zim A320 that's been lying at SAAT forever.