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Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by FlyingFinn » Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:53 am

Hi

Just something I picked up on the CARS update
from November 15
you now need a class 1 medical for your instrument rating, irrespective of your license category
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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by Mrb13676 » Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:02 pm

I’m not sure this is a new thing? It’s not listed as a change in the 23rd amendment from what I can see (67.0.0.2).

It HAS changed since I did my AV LAW exam in 2017 though….

This seems like rule making for the sake of rule making. Not a requirement in Europe or FAA or CASA as far as I am aware?
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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by Iceberg » Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:25 pm

When I did my RNP AP endorsement in 2018 they required a Class 1 medical to put it on my licence - so not new.
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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by Hop Harrigan » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:03 am

FlyingFinn wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:53 am
Hi

Just something I picked up on the CARS update
from November 15
you now need a class 1 medical for your instrument rating, irrespective of your license category
https://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopi ... 1&t=245295


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Hi Markku,
I have a PPL with IR, as I suspect you do as well? Do you have any definitive information about the Class I requirement....is it confirmed, has anyone done their renewal lately etc?
BTW, do you know what he additional requirements of a ClassI are over and above a Class II Medical?
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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by FlyingFinn » Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:55 am

Hi Markku,
I have a PPL with IR, as I suspect you do as well? Do you have any definitive information about the Class I requirement....is it confirmed, has anyone done their renewal lately etc?
BTW, do you know what he additional requirements of a ClassI are over and above a Class II Medical?
Thanks,
Hop
Hi Hop,

yes, same boat, PPL with IR, many many years now
the difference used to be the audiogram which was required for the IR
not sure now what the differences are
when I sent a message to my DAME asking about the differences
he said "you be fine"
that was not much informative as to the actual differences....
due in June, so will get the scoop then :D

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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by Hop Harrigan » Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:40 pm

Mine also June...audiogram is my main problem...dunno why they worry, my radio has a volume knob on it. 1685 people killed on the roads over the festive season, a handful killed in aircraft...this is rule making in order to justify their jobs not to fix a problem in my opinion!
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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by BallsOfFire » Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:09 pm

Is this required for an Initial or renewal?
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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by Hop Harrigan » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:13 pm

Ho BoF,
If you mean the audiogram...I've always been subjected to an audiogram for my PPL initial and renewals.
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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by BallsOfFire » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:20 am

Thx Hop,

Also would a Class 1 medical be required for a PPL /IF?
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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by FlyingFinn » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:36 am

BallsOfFire wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:20 am
Thx Hop,

Also would a Class 1 medical be required for a PPL /IF?
Morning

That was my point at the start of this thread
That was not the case before
PPL would require a Class 2 medical (anywhere in the world)
and if you held an IF rating there would be an additional audio test
Since the new regs
IF requires a Class 1 medical according to SA CAA
do not see any other CAA's around the world requiring that

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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by BallsOfFire » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:39 am

FlyingFinn, that is how I also read this.
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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by Hop Harrigan » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:19 pm

I fly for personal transport and I use my PPL IR in order to make my (mostly) cross country flying safer. By forcing me to now pass a more stringent medical, which I likely will fail (I’m not the youngest pilot around), the CAA is unnecessarily endangering myself and my pax.
There is no justification for this change to the CAR that I can see other than justifying someone at CAA’s job.
Does anyone think there’s any point in attempting to have the regulation change reversed? If so, what might be the procedure to go about this...lawyers?
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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by Sardine » Wed May 18, 2022 1:30 pm

Hop Harrigan wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:19 pm
I fly for personal transport and I use my PPL IR in order to make my (mostly) cross country flying safer. By forcing me to now pass a more stringent medical, which I likely will fail (I’m not the youngest pilot around), the CAA is unnecessarily endangering myself and my pax.
There is no justification for this change to the CAR that I can see other than justifying someone at CAA’s job.
Does anyone think there’s any point in attempting to have the regulation change reversed? If so, what might be the procedure to go about this...lawyers?
Hop
More stringent, er, no.

More frequent, yes. A Class I must be done every 6-12 months depending on your age and the type of flying you're doing.

Audiograms are required annually for a Class 2.
But only every 5 years up to the age of 40 for Class 1.

ECG's are required every 2 years for ages 30 to 49, and annually for 50+.
And it's a resting ECG. Catch a 5min power nap.

Don't you think you are more of a danger by only doing an aviation medical once every 5 years as the holder of a Class 2?
How many people go for an annual check up at the doctor? And how many use their aviation medical as that check up instead.

As for proposals for changes to the law, I think CARCOM is who you want to contact.
https://www.gov.za/sites/default/files/ ... gon599.pdf
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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by Iceberg » Wed May 18, 2022 2:15 pm

I actually agree with having a class 1 for IF. I have a CPL so have to do it anyway, but nonetheless my AME actually offers to do a free stress ECG after the resting one which I always take. I am past 60, so that ups the medical risks....

I fly single pilot IFR fairly regularly - so I want to be extra sure that I won't leave my pax in a totally impossible situation due to a medical event.
My usual pax will have trouble getting my twin down safely in perfect VMC anyway, but in IMC - I don't even want to think about it.... 8-[ :shock:
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Re: Class 1 medical now required for an Instrument rating

Unread post by PO » Mon May 30, 2022 3:06 pm

Iceberg wrote:
Wed May 18, 2022 2:15 pm
I actually agree with having a class 1 for IF. I have a CPL so have to do it anyway, but nonetheless my AME actually offers to do a free stress ECG after the resting one which I always take. I am past 60, so that ups the medical risks....

I fly single pilot IFR fairly regularly - so I want to be extra sure that I won't leave my pax in a totally impossible situation due to a medical event.
My usual pax will have trouble getting my twin down safely in perfect VMC anyway, but in IMC - I don't even want to think about it.... 8-[ :shock:
Isn't the 'prediction capability' of a stress ECG quite limited / meaningless?
Ref e.g. https://cardiosound.com/stress-tests#:~ ... %20(3%2C4).
A screening test is a test we do when someone is having no symptoms. We do screening to find out who is at risk. Stress tests were not designed for screening to find someone at risk for heart attack, and are not recommended for that purpose (1).
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A STRESS TEST CAN NEVER PREDICT WHO'S AT RISK FOR HEART ATTACKS.
Because most heart attacks (86%) occur in blockages that are not severely narrowed, most heart attack victims would pass their stress test the day before the heart attack (3,4).

Passing a stress test does not mean that your risk for heart attack is low. It only means you don't need a stent or bypass surgery (5).

Half of men and about 2/3 of women who die suddenly from heart disease had no previous symptoms (6)
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