P-63 collides with a B-17 - 6 fatalities

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P-63 collides with a B-17 - 6 fatalities

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Reports are coming in of a terrible accident at Wings Over Dallas where a B-17 collided with a P-63.
What a terrible tragedy


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Yikes - it looks as if they collided on the runway.

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Was midair

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jimdavis wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:06 pm Yikes - it looks as if they collided on the runway.

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Jim, as you know the initial eyewitness reports can be wrong, but witnesses said the wings on the B-17 folded up as it came down.
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It’s a terrible thing to have happen but I hope that was not a passenger flight on the B-17…..
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Mike Wissing wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:14 pm It’s a terrible thing to have happen but I hope that was not a passenger flight on the B-17…..
It was part of a airshow display
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Speculation is encouraged and I honestly do not like partaking in such extreme speculation but...

If you wanted to take down a bomber in a mid air, you aim right behind the wings at a 45 degree angle and this is an absolutely perfect instance of that.

I guess/ hope the P-63 pilot did not have vision of the B-17 but they look like they are at the same altitude and the P-63 pilot should have known that he was there. There also does not seem to be any attempt to evade at all?

I hope I am wrong with this one and just in a pessimistic mood because of the Rugby but..
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Laracerpilot wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:36 pm
Mike Wissing wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:14 pm It’s a terrible thing to have happen but I hope that was not a passenger flight on the B-17…..
It was part of a airshow display
I will get the full rundown of what happened tomorrow morning (probably). I will see if I can share any of that info here.
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Just came across this image on one of the FB groups
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A better angle of the impact



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Argonaught wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:45 pm Speculation is encouraged and I honestly do not like partaking in such extreme speculation but...

If you wanted to take down a bomber in a mid air, you aim right behind the wings at a 45 degree angle and this is an absolutely perfect instance of that.

I guess/ hope the P-63 pilot did not have vision of the B-17 but they look like they are at the same altitude and the P-63 pilot should have known that he was there. There also does not seem to be any attempt to evade at all?

I hope I am wrong with this one and just in a pessimistic mood because of the Rugby but..
He would not have had visual on that B17 but like you said, should have known he was there. If I may use a flightsim example, I get this plenty trying to form on somebody and obviously in my case not knowing the correct procedure. At first you have him visual but if my closure is still too fast Iroll away from him, so he is now directly below my aircraft and pull more G. It normally works out but you loose visual at crucial stages.
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Re: B-17 collides with a P-51 or P-63 fatal

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Another view. This is so damn sad.

I've seen two midairs at Duxford, both instances they knew roughly where they were, or should have been, but lost actual visual. And with the inertia these machines carry through the air...

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Some reports saying the P-63 was no 2 in formation with the other fighter (as basically can be seen in the last videos) and would thus have had his eyes fixed on his flight lead in the turn and not be looking out for other traffic
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Thats all fine and well but how can they have these 2 groups flying separate converging circuits with even the slightest chance of them merging like that?

Rip to the deceased and condolences to the families and friends. This is so very sad and unnecessary.
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