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Airline circuits

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I am not an expert on airline circuits but experienced a weird circuit last Thursday while coming in to land at ORT. Maybe it had to do with spacing? :?

We were landing from the North on 21L. We joined on a right downwind and during our base leg, I thought we should have turn final long before we did. I was sitting on the right side at the window so I had a good view.

When we eventuall turned final, it was quite a steep turn to the right as we were way past the runway centreline, then agan a steep turn to the left to line up with the runway.

Is this ops normal?

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I guess spacing is what comes to mind. Maybe saw traffic on finals on their TCAS and decided to extend base for efficient spacing, as they dont want to be caught in their wake.
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If you give me the flight number and approximate time I will see if I can pull the playback from Flightradar24 to show what traffic was around
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skydancer wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:38 am I guess spacing is what comes to mind. Maybe saw traffic on finals on their TCAS and decided to extend base for efficient spacing, as they dont want to be caught in their wake.
I think you are correct in that it most probably is spacing, but the radar controller would have instructed the plane to fly through the localiser & then vectors to intercept from the other side.

The only TCAS deviation a crew generally makes is to follow the vertical instruction triggered by a Resolution Advisory.
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Snitch wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:28 pm If you give me the flight number and approximate time I will see if I can pull the playback from Flightradar24 to show what traffic was around
FA251, from George, must have been around 09h50. 1st of June.

Turn back was quite steep, pulling some light "g"s.

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My guess is controller was late in turning flight onto finals.

Only a CRJ infront and a B777 quite behind on flightradar
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Snitch wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:15 pm My guess is controller was late in turning flight onto finals.

Only a CRJ infront and a B777 quite behind on flightradar
Or some extra space for an inspection?
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Maybe they were cleared for 03L and in the turn ATC changed its mind to 03R.

OR the following scenario. ATC thought it cleared him for 03R but the last transmission was for him for 03L, and as it turned for 03L, ATC said where are you going, airplane replied and said you said 03L, ATC said arg no, I said 03R, and pilots said, arg! Ok fine 03R. And then Ops normal from there.

Can happens when an airline has similar callsigns, like Safair212 and Safair 221...
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antarctic wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:59 am Maybe they were cleared for 03L and in the turn ATC changed its mind to 03R.

OR the following scenario. ATC thought it cleared him for 03R but the last transmission was for him for 03L, and as it turned for 03L, ATC said where are you going, airplane replied and said you said 03L, ATC said arg no, I said 03R, and pilots said, arg! Ok fine 03R. And then Ops normal from there.

Can happens when an airline has similar callsigns, like Safair212 and Safair 221...
Runway in use was 21L as per the OP
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