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Re: Toyota vs Vulcanair

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....seems he had another unplanned get-together on the parking bay?
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Re: Toyota vs Vulcanair

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I believe that Progress self insure

Also in many car insurance policies collision with a aircraft is excluded

Interesting to see what the outcome will be of this accident and who picks up the tab
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Re: Toyota vs Vulcanair

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mi'cmaq wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:09 pm I believe that Progress self insure

Also in many car insurance policies collision with a aircraft is excluded

Interesting to see what the outcome will be of this accident and who picks up the tab
I have never read my car insurance policy in detail .. is this generally true :shock: :shock: .. I end up quite a bit of time airside in my car. I am always super careful and drive very slow but stuff can happen
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Re: Toyota vs Vulcanair

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Bearcat wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:15 pm
mi'cmaq wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:09 pm I believe that Progress self insure

Also in many car insurance policies collision with a aircraft is excluded

Interesting to see what the outcome will be of this accident and who picks up the tab
I have never read my car insurance policy in detail .. is this generally true :shock: :shock: .. I end up quite a bit of time airside in my car. I am always super careful and drive very slow but stuff can happen
My hangar insurance includes airside cover for all my registered vehicles.

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Re: Toyota vs Vulcanair

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mi'cmaq wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:09 pm I believe that Progress self insure

Also in many car insurance policies collision with a aircraft is excluded

Interesting to see what the outcome will be of this accident and who picks up the tab
Also heard the self insurance bit. Did not know about the car vs aircraft exclusion. That is an eye opener.

Think Progress has been on the market for a little while, so this loss could translate into a devaluation of the selling price.

This is Eina all around. Think ACSA may also use this incident to prohibit cars in the GA Area. A position they have been wanting to enforce for a while now in PE. This just gave them the ammo to implement it.
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Re: Toyota vs Vulcanair

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Roger wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 5:53 pm
mi'cmaq wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:09 pm I believe that Progress self insure

Also in many car insurance policies collision with a aircraft is excluded

Interesting to see what the outcome will be of this accident and who picks up the tab
Also heard the self insurance bit. Did not know about the car vs aircraft exclusion. That is an eye opener.

Think Progress has been on the market for a little while, so this loss could translate into a devaluation of the selling price.

This is Eina all around. Think ACSA may also use this incident to prohibit cars in the GA Area. A position they have been wanting to enforce for a while now in PE. This just gave them the ammo to implement it.
Any chance this incident was a deliberate act .. eg disgruntled student taking it out with a hire car on the aircraft ?
The whole thing seems odd :?
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Bearcat wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:01 pm Any chance this incident was a deliberate act .. eg disgruntled student taking it out with a hire car on the aircraft ?
The whole thing seems odd :?
No, I think was more straight forward to just loosing control, after a late night.
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mi'cmaq wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 4:09 pm I believe that Progress self insure

Also in many car insurance policies collision with a aircraft is excluded

Interesting to see what the outcome will be of this accident and who picks up the tab
That is when "self insurance" bites you in the backside. 8-[ When you are not at fault and the person causing the damage doesn't even own a pot to pee in.

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Re: Toyota vs Vulcanair

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Does anyone know which hire car company it was
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Was a privately owned vehicle.
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Thanks for the information Roger

I have been involved with two Partenavia P 68 aircraft ; one exported to the USA and I sold the other now operating as a survey platform

I have a P68 C dismantled airframe available - Was wondering if I could cannibalise the two and get one flying again

Any idea who the insurer is ? and if they are accepting liability for the damage their insured caused
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@micmaq Probably best to give Progress a shout. They would most likely have all that detail.
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Re: Toyota vs Vulcanair

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ZS-VRA is still in the same position / condition at FAPE
The cars insurance has not (yet ?) paid up anything. I understand its not one of the larger car insurance companies ..so here is hoping...
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Close up of the damage :(
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Re: Toyota vs Vulcanair

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The car hit so hard on the left hand side of the aircraft that there is structural / skin damage on the right hand side
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