Accident Baragwanath

[Frank Persson]

Recent crash occupants OK

[Whirly]

That is the diesel 172.

Whirly.

[Christopher]

EFATO? That is not a full-flap confuration...

[ddevos]

EFATO? That is not a full-flap confuration...

Don't know, it was doing 107 knots while descending when it went quiet on FR24, unless it lost tracking and then did a touch-and-go with a power loss after take-off. See its track below...

[Volo]

Recent crash occupants OK

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Not so sure about power loss- It had enough power to break all three blades at the root .

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[Air Speed]

So here is the info that I have from those in the know.

There was an instructor and student on board.

Student had about 40 hours apparently.

They came in for a touch and go but were too fast and bounced. After the bounce when the aircraft became airborn, the student pulled the stick back to the stop.

The instructor tried to intervien and get the nose down and added full power, however he was too late to catch it and the aircraft stalled and whent farming.

In a nutshell

[ddevos]

So here is the info that I have from those in the know.

There was an instructor and student on board.

Student had about 40 hours apparently.

They came in for a touch and go but were too fast and bounced. After the bounce when the aircraft became airborn, the student pulled the stick back to the stop.

The instructor tried to intervien and get the nose down and added full power, however he was too late to catch it and the aircraft stalled and whent farming.

In a nutshell

Makes perfect sense, I just wonder why the student did what he/she did at 40 hours...

[Whirly]

So here is the info that I have from those in the know.

There was an instructor and student on board.

Student had about 40 hours apparently.

They came in for a touch and go but were too fast and bounced. After the bounce when the aircraft became airborn, the student pulled the stick back to the stop.

The instructor tried to intervien and get the nose down and added full power, however he was too late to catch it and the aircraft stalled and whent farming.

In a nutshell

Makes perfect sense, I just wonder why the student did what he/she did at 40 hours...

If he/she did their licence on a different type, a too fast C172 will catch you out every time. C172s don't like excessive speed on landing.

Whirly.

[Airlou]

Wonder how much too fast....the aboard landing exercise comes in to play
Nice aerie though..

[Kootenayflyer]

So here is the info that I have from those in the know.

There was an instructor and student on board.

Student had about 40 hours apparently.

They came in for a touch and go but were too fast and bounced. After the bounce when the aircraft became airborn, the student pulled the stick back to the stop.

The instructor tried to intervien and get the nose down and added full power, however he was too late to catch it and the aircraft stalled and whent farming.

In a nutshell

Makes perfect sense, I just wonder why the student did what he/she did at 40 hours...

Should know better after 40 hours ….

[Volo]

So here is the info that I have from those in the know.

There was an instructor and student on board.

Student had about 40 hours apparently.

They came in for a touch and go but were too fast and bounced. After the bounce when the aircraft became airborn, the student pulled the stick back to the stop.

The instructor tried to intervien and get the nose down and added full power, however he was too late to catch it and the aircraft stalled and whent farming.

In a nutshell

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I would like to suggest to that student that he packs it in and takes up something like stamp collecting .
Anyone who would pull the stick back like as reported and this @ 40 hours has no grasp of what makes an aircraft fly . Give it up while you are still ahead .

[Whirly]

Wow! What about the instructor, should he/she also give up flying?

I have seen this happen many times, it happened to me too (but I saved it, and had many times the hours), and every time in a C172.

I sat in a helicopter, getting ready to fly, at Wonderboom, when I saw a C172 balloon seriously and nearly crashing, three circuits in a row. It was my C172, used by a flight school, and I jumped on the radio asking the tower to tell them to stop flying before they write it off. The instructor replied that he had it under control.

I won't be so quick to judge.

Whirly.

[SHREKKIE]

If he/she did their licence on a different type, a too fast C172 will catch you out every time. C172s don't like excessive speed on landing.


Whirly, I havn't come across any plane that likes excessive speed on landing!

[Dutch1]

Who are the pilot and Instructor.

[V5 - LEO]

Wow! What about the instructor, should he/she also give up flying?

I have seen this happen many times, it happened to me too (but I saved it, and had many times the hours), and every time in a C172.

I sat in a helicopter, getting ready to fly, at Wonderboom, when I saw a C172 balloon seriously and nearly crashing, three circuits in a row. It was my C172, used by a flight school, and I jumped on the radio asking the tower to tell them to stop flying before they write it off. The instructor replied that he had it under control.

I won't be so quick to judge.

Whirly.

..... dit was seker 'n paar nip & tuck oomblikke vir jou Whirly??